Let’s just see who’s targeting whom here.
Americans have been asking, “How do we get rid of the surveillance drones overhead that are spying on us for no reason?” But the government doesn’t seem to be listening to the anger that Americans are expressing about the growing number of drones appearing in the skies with no privacy provisions in place.
Well, the folks in one Colorado town believe they’ve come up with a solution that might also be some fun. They want to declare open season on the drones and start shooting them out of the skies.
The Deer Trail town board will vote on an ordinance that would create drone hunting licenses and offer bounties for unmanned aerial vehicles. The proposed ordinance, crafted by town resident Phillip Steele, goes so far as to outline weapons, ammunition, rules of engagement, techniques and bounties.
Of course, there’s one little problem with this ordinance, even if it passes. It’s against the law to destroy federal property. And I hear that the feds are letting the Deer Trail town board know in no uncertain terms that shooting at drones will not be tolerated.
Update: This Time article says that the ordinance was voted down.
OK, fine. But how about waiting to launch this federal property until privacy safeguards have been locked in and full explanations of the drones’ activities have been provided? How about some promises – in writing – that any information captured by drones that does not relate to a specific investigation will be immediately destroyed? And how about limiting drone usage to looking for missing people and following the movements of known criminals?
How do you feel about the increasing number of surveillance drones in the skies over America? Do you trust the government to only gather information from these drones that is particular to a specific investigation, or do you think it’s one big fishing expedition? Let’s hear what you have to say about this.
On the subject of whether to,or not to blast drones out of the sky;I have a question. I live in N.J. and have yet to see one! Come the day that I do; with all of the “hysteria” about these drones spying on American Citizens; wouldn’t the charge of destruction of federal property be curtailed by the counter charge of say fear for life, KNOWING that armed drones have and are used by this Government to remove American Citizens from this Planet??? I mean, the “average” non-military civilian won’t know what the difference is between an armed or an unarmed drone looks like groom 200-500 feet up; I’ve seen both overseas but never back here.
SGT MACK- Since you’ve seen the armed drones close up, can you explain what they look like as opposed to unarmed drones.
If it is close enough to through a fishing net or blanket over it to take it down, then you can safely claim self defense. Otherwise, you are better off identifying the operator and filing complaints against them with the FAA (now that they make them all be registered) and in the courts, rather than shooting at one and making yourself the defendant!
We all realize what is going on Ben Carson or any other of those goons will not do a damn thing to help because they can’t.The government is controlled by the illumanati soon we will not even be able to take a shit without them knowing. We have to organize quickly
As with all blogs, it turns into a pissing match of two or more blowhards who like to read their own words. All these great threats and no leaders. Who is going to step up and organize a defensible position, with or without arms? Nothing but words.
Here’s an idea, work hard to get Ben Carson nominated and then elected our next president. A true American who has faith, wisdom and will bring this country together again. All races, all those who want to see our country great again in every way. He listens, analyses the problem and with God’s help finds a cure. He speaks softly and carries a big stick also. Read about him in “One Nation”. He and his wife have written other books too. He is not only a brilliant surgeon, he travels to listen to the people. Did you know that he was a marksman with the ROTC in high school? He was given control of all ROTC in high school programs all over Detroit. He was offered entry to West Point. After much prayer and consideration, he followed his heart and went into the medical profession. He became head of all the neurological surgeons at Johns Hopkins. He hates PC and will unite this country again. I believe he is the person we all hoped Obama was. He can and will undo the disaster that Obama and his cronies have forced on us. I believe he also is the only candidate who can beat Clinton.
Fine if that is what the government wants then they should mark them as such, so to tell the difference between them and nosey neighbors.
Paul ,
I agree with you on that these blogs turn into a pissing match. Most of the time the people don’t have enough information on the subject and they’re not willing to find out what it’s all about they just go off of what somebody tells them it’s about. The next part I say is not to make anybody mad and I know that it will but, but when I read some of the peoples comments I can tell who’s put in the research and who hasn’t.
It’s funny how the government can tromp over its people but when the people object, then we’re the criminals. It is just business. Sure, it’s a crime to destroy federal property. But it’s also a crime when they shred the Constitution and our rights! Take out the drones and when they lose enough, maybe they will rethink how they do business! People need to hold our government accountable. Our government is too big anyway and into things our forefathers warned us about and fought against the king. We need a smaller, less bloated government. Having money for these toys means our government spends too much. Shoot them out of the skies and sell the surplus parts on the market for hobbyists! We can build robots to fight the drones!
If WE all remember even a few short moths ago, there was much ado similar to this idle, banter, about cell phone, email, and text message monitoring. How it violated OUR rights to privacy, etc.. In the end, what happened? They passed a FEDERAL LAW, MANDATING that all transmissions be monitored, in the name of National Security. Further, to end all of the hoopla about the Feds monitoring our private communications prior to the law being passed, they simply BACK DATED it to reflect on 9/11, and made it effective as of THEN.
What do you TRULY believe the end result of all of WHINING about this issue will be? Whine though we may, WE accomplish nothing. THEY still get what THEY want. WE simply need to silence our complaints, and SPEAK OUT with our ACTIONS! WE have all been told all of our lives, ACTIONS speak louder than words.
We swore to defend the Constitution of the UNITED STATES, against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. The Constitution HAS BEEN DESECRATED. OUR rights have been stripped away. At what point do WE, the People, decide to UPHOLD our OATH??!!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!
AMRN!!!
One might consider the idea of ‘home away from home”. That is, find the operating frequency of the drone controls, and by accident, of course, be operating your own remote control aircraft in their vicinity. All very accidental, nothing planned, it just happened that way. Your transmitter might be more powerful than the one the drone is being controlled by.
Do you not realize the big boys drones are guided by gps
Key word = guided. GPS is used to position them but it doesn’t control them, or send/receive instructions and video.
Shoot them down, dont shoot them down.. Opose them, Strongly opose them.. Are they legal, are they not legal.. They violate our rights.. so lets get angry.. Whatever!
So many valid, or used to be valid points.. SO LITTLE ACTION!
Wake up People!!
After 9/11, with the passing of the USA Patriot Act, and the establishment of Homeland Security, ALL of our Constitutional RIGHTS were stripped away. And WE the People are just to asleep to realize it! Vote for whom ever you choose, if that candidate doesnt fall in line with THEIR way of thinking, he will get no where.
Are the drones spying on US, and any images they capture usable without a warrant..? Ask yourself, is any PLAIN SIGHT evidence collected while an officer greets you at the door admissible, or grounds for an arrest? Of course it is! Anything that drone sees is simply PLAIN SIGHT evidence, while operating in FREE, UNITED STATES AIR SPACE.
You.. WE, Have NO constitutional protection ANY LONGER. In the name of “terrorism”, you.. WE, can be held without cause, notification of violation, .. for an undetermined period of time, without legal representation, or ability to notify anyone. WE can be interrogated, punished, even tortured.. ALL in the name of ‘terrorism”.
I swore to defend the Constitution of The United States of America, against ALL enemies.. Foreign AND Domestic. So too, did a lot of you. Did you mean it? I DID!
Forget the Alamo.. REMEMBER 1776! The time to PURGE and RECONSTRUCT is not approaching.. IT’S HERE!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE! It is time to take OUR country BAAAACK!
If I have a valid duck hunting license and shot at a duck and miss but hit a drone by mistake, could they legally take away my duck hunting license?
I believe these drones constitute illegal search witout a warrant as.well as invasion of privacy.
Where are the lawyers, including the ACLU?
I read all your comments. Really, people. Are you all for real? You can’t shoot into the air, and expect nothing to happen. I was a a target range and shot my 44 magnum at 45 degrees and watched where it landed. It must have been a mile away. My 30-06 with scope can kill a deer at 1500 meters. No please don’t shoot aimlessly into the air. It’s not legal. As for our rights? What rights? We give up our rights all the time. Any time you use Facebook,tweeter,insta gram and all those neat phone gadgets and apps. The Government is listening in on your conversations. Your property is not really your property! It all belongs to the government. You just believe it belongs to you couse you paid a bunch of money for it, but the government can and will confiscate your property in a second if they feel they want. There is nothing you can do about it. Just like the Police is shooting innocent people now, What can you do about it? Nothing. Yea, people rally and have demonstrations about it but nothing happens. do you know why? It’s the Government. They can shoot you and label you for anything they want. They can make you into a criminal if they want. You have several rights only if the government allows you to have them. Drones are built to be shot at. Drones are built with Emp resistors on them. You shoot at a drone you will have everybody and there brothers on your property like white on rice. They will gaffle you up and take you to guantanamo bay and will hold you for as long as they want. You do not have the right to shoot at any Drone. We citizens lost a bunch of rights once homeland security bill passed. But that’s not all look at all the criminals around us now. We need protection from issis, and the homies down the street or the drug dealer next door or the robber that lives across the street or all those gangs hanging around the neighborhood, where you can’t go out at night. No I think we need to really see whats go on and see reality. I’m not afraid of the Drones. We are loosing our rights do to all the stupid people giving our freedom away. US ! We are doing it to our self. Elect the proper people when voting time comes around. You guys make me laugh. Keep up the good work.
Good eyes if you saw it hit about a mile away…;)
So what is your solution? Just give up and give in? Don’t even try to do anything? With defeatist mindset like yours, answer this. How did only 25% of the total colonists’ population take up arms against the king, struggle for 7 years to kick tyranny out and win Sovereignty. Too bad defeatists like you weren’t around then to “enlighten” them on how futile their resistance would be.
Couple of points.
1. People shoot into the air all the time. Hunting any kind of bird generally requires you shoot them while they are in flight. Shotguns are made for that, and drones aren’t much different as a target.
2. The drones in question here aren’t the military bomber drones. They are the surveillance type with short range and cameras. The kind your pervert neighbor is using to film your teenage daughters while they are hanging around your backyard swimming pool.
The relevant precedent here may be Kyllo vs U.S. The supreme court ruled that anything visible/detectable by an unaided sight line, or to an unaided human sense (smell, hearing, taste etc) from a public location is evidence that can be acquired without a search warrant and used in evidence. Anything that requires a technological aid to detect, or access from a non-public place requires consent or a search warrant. The use of a drone constitutes using a technical aid. Anything discovered by a drone cannot be used in evidence without a search warrant. The legal fuzzy side arises in the matter of the use of a drone to create probable cause for a subsequent search warrant. And the question as to where privacy ends over your property as you go up in altitude. The outline of your property can be extended into space but it is not closed to aircraft. So how high above your ground do your rights to privacy extend? It simply means that whereas we currently screen ourselves from horizontal sight (ground observation, we are now going to have to screen ourselves from vertical (elevated and overhead) observation. Paint “F**k off” on the roof of your shed and put tarps over your play areas, I guess.
Right on Julio! The Gov’ment already see what’s in your back yard by using Google Maps or Google Earth. That’s how they know to charge you more taxes for that shed. I’m sure a drone that was focused on a particular area would have better resolution, but I like the idea of camouflage.
I would like to plant Large letters F U in my garden as herbs or topiary so that Google Earth & the government serpents that exploit it can read my sentiments from outer space.
Throwing tea into a harbor I’m pretty sure was an illegal act, but it is credited with the start on the right path. Rand Paul said “I have a shotgun” meaning he knew what to do with drones. I think we are all getting to a breaking point, where living in prison would not be that much of a loss of freedom. Lets face it , freedom from taxes, from labor, Obama care, feeding, clothing, housing . I’m not ready to go to prison just yet, but a couple more freedoms striped of my rights, just might make the odds look appealing.
1st, all who believe we can stand on our constitutional rights for security from governmental overbearance are living in a dream world. For every constit. right we have, over the years politicians have circumvented them all with federal laws and/or regulations. even the supreme courts that are supposed to evaluate laws as to costitutionality flow with the current winds of the powers that be at the time. They are appointed, not voted in by the people. All of the people we voted in to represent our voice tend to ignore that in favor of their own motives. Even when we get in a good, honest man, to accomplish any good he is forced to play the corruption game or he will be stonewalled for his entire term. As to the drones, the only viable actions are the electronic jamming (emf) or the anti-drone drones (fighter tactical/ramming drones). Anyone that resorts to trying to shoot them down is making at least two mistakes; the valid safety issue of random projectiles, and the mistake that the govt. agency responcible can be fought on the grounds of costitutionality.. you will only waste time and money (jail time and defense money). we must start voting on the person and on the issues, not on republican or democrat or independant. Politics is politics, and it is what it is. Not for the white collar, blue collar, or redneck, but its own agenda and profit. Research every candidate and issue, critique every aspect involved, andget out of bed and support them or fight them, whichever they merit, and VOTE concientiosly.
Your well being and health etc are not important to your government, you do not matter short of paying taxes, you have way fewer rights than you think and as stated elsewhere here, they do not abide by the same rules ‘we’ do. When everything you say and do is regulated by a law, you live in a police state. You would do well to prevent attention being focused on you in any way, by the police state.
What really chaps my hide is all the rules and regulations that We the People must follow and put up with while ‘they’ do whatever they want, when and how they want to do it. I can’t legally fly my RC plane or quadcopter FPV (First Person View) without 1. a spotter who has eyes on the aircraft (direct line of sight) and the ability to take control of the aircraft in the event of a mishap, and 2. Insurance and a license/permit. There are also a ton of rules I must follow when flying any RC aircraft, FPV or LOS. I do not disagree with the rules, I just think that everyone should have to follow them, regardless. My planes are made of foam, powered by electric and weigh under 5 pounds. If it were to crash into your house, car or a person, it will hurt; but highly unlikely it will do any major damage or kill you. Not the case with a military drone weighing several hundred pounds or more and carrying many gallons of jet fuel. If they go down, it’s going to do major damage to personal property and even risk lives. Is the proposed benefit of using these drones really outweigh the risk? That’s like using a shotgun when a flyswatter will do! Give me a break… I am sick of the double standards and the talking heads. My name is Kenny, and I am Fed Up! We MUST find a safe way to combat this risk, and it’s not necessarily the drones I speak of…
Doo a google search, Drones are easy to jam and take control of, since your closer and have the stronger signal…cause it to crash , that will get rid of it!! It’s not too expensive to make a devise to take control!
Once the first drone is shot down, the government will then send armed drones to take out the shooters.
All this reminds me of the time on Magnum, PI, when
Magnum got irritated with Higgy Baby’s model airplane buzzing around, disturbing his late morning sleep.
Magnum took care of that problem very easily with a
single shot from a 12 guage.
I remember that one Bob, loved it, and I do believe we own the ‘airspace’ above our properties. Go Thomas!
Ready Aim, FIRE!
“Be Sure To Read The NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS ON MY PROPERTY!” I believe in, leaving it where it falls.
Once a drone invades my airspace, it’s no longer “federal property.” It then comes under the law of “finders, keepers.” It becomes my property and fair game since it was on my property.
We need to make sure that shooting down a drone doesn’t violate the FAA. If a drone is shot down, the FAA has the legal right to investigate and to come onto your property and claim said aircraft.
First, they have to “FInd” it. God only knows where it went to (heh, heh).
Seems to me that once the drone is I your “airspace” performing the task that the government wants, it falls then under illegal search and seizures I would think. Once it starts spying on you isn’t that an illegal search because they have no probable cause to search your property?
Drones are being used all over the place. Checking on as many people and their belongings as possible. so they will know what to except when marshal is declared. Why has so much money been spent on ammo, armored vehicle, drones attacks not ruled out. Homeland security has 3 times more ammo per person, than the military, per person. This president is purposely setting us up for a down fall. The mass waste of money, to destroy the dollar, the mass cut back on the military, to make us weak. Has the whole country divided. Will not do anything about the border. We are being set up for a total down fall. This man hates this country, tries everything thing possible to make things as painful for the American people as he can. Prime example Obumercare. He keeps chaos going on everywhere, his fault for all the middle east trouble right now. Some reason him and Holder never have anything bad to say about Muslims. Sure is strange!! Everyone have a great 4th, and GOD BLESS AMERICA, while we still have her.
It’s been while now so you can add gay marriage to your list of downfalls–yes–I’m sure God can’ stand America and sooner than later he will get rid of it-
Has anyone ever heard the phrase political benevolent DICTATORSHIP? I spent almost 20 years in the military helping to protect our country fight the kind of oppression we are beginning to see in our country under President Obama in other countries.
I have a small organic farm near Snowflake Az.
I had my 1st Drone experience yesterday..7 am..saw it plain as day..less than 100 ft above me…much bigger machine than I expected,it was taking pics of my farm..they give off a sound and vibration unlike any aircraft…fast and agile>like a humming bird
1 moment it was there..in a flash it was gone
I’ll never forget that sound…
I am so angry…why is the military spying on me?
Do I complain to the FAA,the sheriff…who?
Others I told about this ,have every intention of taking aggressive action..whatever it takes
We all knew this was coming…Time to take a stand gentleman
It was likely the DEA making sure you weren’t growing marijuana. You could make a complaint to your local sheriff and tell then you are worried that someone is casing your property for theft.
What?! You don’t complain to ANYBODY. You just watch from a place of hiding (inside your house or wherever) and when you see one, shoot it down. It’s a good idea to target practice if you aren’t good with a firearm. It’s best not to approach the drone after you have shot it down, however. There may be a camera still working and sending back video or photo. Just leave it where it is and go about your business. Of course you don’t know anything about it if you’re approached later when the gps tells the feds where it is.
For those of you who are he’ll bent on shooting down a drone. One of the basic rules of shooting at “anything”, is to know where your bullet will land in case you miss. What if landed on a camper in the woods, or don’t you care about civilian, or any bodies, lives? Don’t be so cocky to say that you would ” never”miss. Remember, bullets can travel for miles if shot in the air. Even if you did hit it, it’s armor is most likely bullet proof (except for maybe an RPG) and then where would your bullet land? Those of you who advocate shooting at a drone shouldn’t be allowed a weapon.
@Seth- your generalities lend you to the left. Have you forgotten about shotguns? Not everyone who shoots at things in the air “shouldn’t be allowed a weapon”. You are an idiot (or else, hopefully, you mis-spoke).
zjbrian, your comment to Seth is way off base. Seth speaks with uncommon common sense, which you seem to lack. What Seth had to say didn’t put him to the left or even to the right, but on target. Gun safety must be first and foremost in owning a weapon. For operating a weapon involves not only the person in possession of the weapon and the people around him but those that are miles away. That is why I get so upset at Law Enforcement when they fire their weapons at people. It isn’t enough to fire their weapon two or three times, but they are trained to empty their clips, reload, and empty their clips again. Then you should ask of the 4-6 rounds that hit the suspect, what happened to the other 22 plus rounds that went down range.
Then you go on to say “use a shotgun.” First off, not everyone has a shotgun. Although the pellets don’t have the distance of a round going down range you still must keep that in mind, a half mile is still a distance you must take in consideration in case that someone is in that area.
So when it comes to Idiots, I consider you an uninformed IDIOT! Go take a NRA gun handling course and get certified. We would feel much safer if you did and it would be a step in the right direction proving that you are more of a jerk than an IDIOT.
Seth, I was going to admonish Linda for the very reasons you did. Well said. Any one that has fired a weapon must be made aware of their surroundings at all times. Furthermore, they must be aware of their rounds going down range. You could hit the item you are shooting at, but, the slug could penetrated the object and continued on its course only to hit another object or person. That same slug could have easily ricocheted off the object, whether it passed through the object or not; hit it and travel in a different direction causing the same kind of damage. Then like you said Seth, the person could have easily miss the drone and the round could travel for miles, unobstructed, only to penetrate someone’ home, car, or hit a innocent person. I live in the LA area where on the 4th of July and Christmas can be dangerous times of the year. Knuckleheads go outside their homes and shoot into the air to celebrate the holidays. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt or killed by an irresponsible people.
Seth,you sir are a retard.most gun owners are more responsible than you give credit for.We have anti-drone shotguns for example,not rpg’s.and I will defend my airspace and property as needed.
IT WILL RECORED YOU ON SURVALANCE VIDIEO WHEN YOU SHOOT IT DOWN. IT WILL SEE YOUR FACE. THE FAA WILL COMW WITH THE POLICE, OR FBI AND EITHER KILL YOU OR PUT YOU IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING DOWN AN AIRCRAFT. SORRY BUT THERE IS NO LOOP HOLE IN GETTING AWAY WITH DOWNING A DRONE. YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN SMALL EMP DEVICE THAT YOU CAN POINT AT IT TO MAKE IT CRASH. THROW ROCKS AT IT IF YOU CAN THROW GOOD.
Can’t we use one of those “illegal” laser pointers to mess it up and hopefully crash it without having to fire a shot & getting our own selves in trouble as a result?
It’s just a hopeful suggestion.
How do you know it is the Government’s Drone? You don’t. It could be a private citizen playing around to someone checking out your property. Then again, it could be a Government Drone. What was the purpose? Who knows. Why would they be flying a drone over your property anyway?
I will say this, I feel that all Government drones must be marked as a government drone. The markings should indicate the Department and have identifying markings and numbers. Furthermore, it shouldn’t be just the Federal Government but all government agencies, local, county, or State.
Should a Government agency use a drone; then that government agency must justify its use and have in writing why a drone was being used over someone’s property. Then a follow up letter must be sent to the owner or resident of the property explaining that a drone was used to surveillance their property and to what purpose it was being used to fly over someone’s property and by what Government agency.
This may seem to be a lot of work for a Government agency; but if they want to play with their toys then there must be some sort of justification and accountability. Nothing like doing something on the up and up, I always say. It is about time that the Government does the right thing by its citizens instead of skirting the laws that this country has 9in placed.
THE FAA IS WORKING ON GETTING THEM TO HAVE REGISTRATION NUMBERS ON THEM LIKE REAL AIRCRAFT HAVE ON THE TAIL. THE FAA IS NOT TO THRILLED ABOUT DRONES FLYING AROUND IN OUR AIRSPACE. THEY SHOULD HAVE ID MARKINGS ON THEM JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AIRCARFT. RETIRED AVIATION TECH AND FLIGHT ENGINEER.
The drones should be the least if our worries. I blame the true citizens of what is considered the United States for allowing the country to get this way,..VOTING was/is the tool to get your crooks out of office, refusing to contribute to their income is the battle tactic. I’m a black descendent of slaves so they don’t consider me a citizen if the states, I’m still property…so where does that leave me??? Refusing to play their game!!! Come what may, I will live free, or die protecting that freedom.
Ha! Try voting and see how far THAT gets you! As an investigator of voter fraud when Olama was running for re-election and also hearing the news reports about the votes that were ALREADY in the DiBold machines BEFORE voting even started, you can’t pull the wool over MY eyes. Besides, candidate are not CHOSEN (I don’t mean voted in, but chosen to run) by the elite. If a candidate is not chosen by the elite, s/he doesn’t win the election… one reason Ron Paul didn’t go anywhere. PLEASE, don’t remain like the sheeple who believe voting is the answer.
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Ha! Try voting and see how far THAT gets you! As an investigator of voter fraud when Olama was running for re-election and also hearing the news reports about the votes that were ALREADY in the DiBold machines BEFORE voting even started, you can’t pull the wool over MY eyes. Besides, candidate ARE CHOSEN (I don’t mean voted in, but chosen to run) by the elite. If a candidate is not chosen by the elite, s/he doesn’t win the election… one reason Ron Paul didn’t go anywhere. PLEASE, don’t remain like the sheeple who believe voting is the answer.
Linda, it was bad both times. We allow the elite to put their candidate into nominations because we allow others to run when we really don’t care about the power that they weald until it is too late.
Voting is the answer, but the solution is getting involve. Find a candidate, know that candidate, back that candidate and put him/her in the position where they are need the most.
Just because they are a councilmen doesn’t mean that they will make a good mayor, nor a good mayor would make a good Governor, nor a good Governor make a good President. They must have a track record proving that they have all the qualifications and good attributes that your candidate must have to hold that office. The days of taking candidates on faith should be over. Choose Wisely.
What everyone seems to CONTINUOUSLY be forgetting, is we MAY actually have some say via voting, for our local representatives. But, established some time ago, WE the PEOPLE are not smart enough to elect our President.. So, the Electoral College makes THAT decision for US. Although their vote is SUPPOSED to reflect their area, it is actually subjective to THEIR own opinion. WE, the PEOPLE, DO NOT ELECT OUR PRESIDENT. EVER!
Black.Star.Lotus, true enough, there is blame enough for all to share. You may be a descendent of slaves, but go to thinking that you are not worth anything except being property. To many men and women have fought and died to prove that no one should be considered property, no matter the colour of their skin.
You asked, “So where does that leave me?” It leaves you with a friend that will stand beside you, also “refusing to play their game! Come what may.”
So hold your head high, walk with pride, I see you as the man that you are; not the colour of your skin.
QUIT THIS OPPRESION SHIT! YOUR BLACK AND FREE. YOUR NOT STILL A SLAVE. YOU HAVE JUST AS MANY RIGHTS AS EVERY OTHER AMERICAN. THATS THE RACISIST BLACK MENTALLITY. GET OVER IT. WHERE ALL THE SAME IN GODS EYES.
Black.Star.Lotus.Lose the stupid race card because you’re black.No one gives a shit what color you are,if you have not committed any crimes that keep you from voting then you should vote for your rights.
Im a former military intell and ops for ari defense artillary US Army. Our motto “if it flys it dies.” Federal offense my ass! Your violating my right to privacy, if I sent a drone to their house or the white house that may constitute a Federal offense but my tax dollars are paying for someone to play with a remote control very expensive toy and using it to watch me! I wouldnt let my kids do it so I wont let the “kids” in Washington do it. Fly by with your Drone eye and watche it die!
Hear! Hear! It comes over MY property, it’s a POS!
WITH OBAMA IN CONTROL! YOU HAVE NO MORE PRIVACY OR RIGHTS. IF YOU WANT THEM YOU NEED TO KILL FOR THEM.
There are many small Radio Controlled airplanes and helicopters that carry cameras and are being called DRONES. The idea that Deer Trail Town Board is actually considering authorizing and encouraging anyone with a gun to fire bullets into the air at any sort of unmanned aerial vehicle is stupid and irresponsible. When the first bullet comes down and hurts or kills someone, the board will discover what liability and lawsuits are. I doubt that anyone is legally allowed to destroy public or private property with a gun.
Hank
Okay, Hank… we’ll direct all the drones to YOUR property.
The term DRONE is being used to describe any sort of Unmanned Aerial Vehicle. There are many Radio Controlled Model Airplanes and Helicopters that have cameras and are now also being labeled Drones.
The idea that Deer Trail is thinking of encouraging anyone with a gun to fire a bullet into the air at any sort of flying machine is Stupid and Irresponsible.
If they actually issue a license and offer a bounty, the liability for property and personal damage is theirs.
Hank
Hank – obviously you only skimmed the article. The board is not actually going to do it. The point is where does it stop and what can everyday citizens do about it. Voting doesn’t work. Are you really willing to be watched for no reason? At least the people on reality TV get paid and have a choice.
Build a RC bird based on an old design going back to WW2, a flying ram with especially beefed up mounts & wing leading edge. The concept was for a fighter aircraft that could ram bombers & fly away to do it again. Most drones are lightly built & unarmored.
Tell that to the Taliban. what fly’s over your house may be unarmed, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t have access to armed drones that fly over your place. Why do you thing that local law enforcement is playing with the drone concept?
Are drones capable of depositing the chemtrails I see in the skies that I see more and more now?
The military uses drones to carry: cameras, video cams, transmitters, machine guns, bombs, missiles, & all sorts of destructive tools. Chemical dispersion devices would not be beyond their capabilities. So you can count on those same things being done here.
I was in military intelligence, such a misnomer, a part of the world of 3 letter governmental agencies. Don’t be surprised at the electronic monitoring and the drones, this is been going on for decades, just unknown to the public. It has only in recent time been brought to the public’s eye.
The Feds are taking are amo and gun away , so we need to conserve are amo for the right time when we need them . Building a drone to take down a spying drone makes good sence.
First, government property is owned by the people! We paid for it, and we pay the operators salaries. Second, the government continuing to ignore our rights to not be spied upon (4th amendment applying here) allows us the ability to take that action into our own hands. Similar to a citizen’s arrest action, except that you can’t capture or detain a machine in flight. Maybe we could come up with a way of capturing them without completely destroying them. We have standing to sue the government over drone use in America, however their defense would be solid bc they could just dispose of the evidence. No evidence = deniability. Third, we ARE the government! They don’t get to tell us what to do. We put them there. Their job is to listen to us! If they refuse to listen, we take the next logical step and compel them to listen to us. Shooting one down also violates federal law which would give us standing in court and would force them to confront our claims of defense.
Good show, DaveM !!
I have seen nets hooked to harpoons. You pull the trigger on the harpoon and the net is shot forth and spreads out to capture whatever you want. :-)
yes. The nets! just like the ones used to capture Canadian geese, or other birds near airport runways! I say we grab um and bag um! Then we’ll see who shows up to trespass on private property to recover them. Good time to be a lawyer… Lots of legal work ahead for our right to privacy, drone regulation, fines, etc.
I would like to see small drones in every room of the white house and in the windows of every congressman’s home with a direct line to a public tv channel on 24/7. Wait that will not happen because they have secured and strengthened their privacy right while taking mine
You got THAT right. What they impose they OPPOSE when it comes to themselves. They don’t have to take ObamaScare either… and most of them elected to keep their old plan and avoid ObamaScare while imposing it on the rest of the country. Putin is looking good to me about now.
Hi Ron,
Are you the “LaserMan” Ron Jones? Do you have url contact?
Uncle Sam
Should not have the right to spy on the people who have to support them. All of our rights are being flushed down the toilet.
I firmly disapprove of drones for either military or police efforts within the United States, except perhaps for drug interdiction efforts along the border. If we deem that we need someone watching from above, I think we need to dedicate an airplane or helicopter–with a pilot–to cover the region.
If we can’t justify that cost, we can’t justify the effort in the first place.
Give the Government an inch, they will own the store.
Drones can be useful and, of course they can be misused. My concern, as a pilot, is how to keep the from being a hazard to aviation. The other concern is that we should set limits on their use. There should be a “voyeurism” law that says they should not be used by the government to spy on its citizens without a court order.
There is an in-place law. It’s called the Forth Amendment to the Constitution. As it’s purpose is to restrain government, government officials try constantly to find a chink in the armor. It is upto good people like you and me to be a bulwark for our Constitution and our rights.
These drones are NOT for our best interest. Most of us know this. Tracking down criminal activity or criminals is a sales pitch they use to ease our fears. In their eyes we (you and I) are the criminals and must be watched. Taking them down a good idea, but shooting them down not a good idea. I like the drone fighting drone idea, I think many Hobbiest would like that. They should form a group that hunts drones with their drones and the prize would be to keep the Federal property and extract all their secrets. We should be as well informed and armed as the tyrannical government is. In order for freedom to survive we must have a well regulated and armed militia. I say go for it Hobbiest! Take those drones down!
To those with electronic ability, make a scrambler. in the same way a radar scrambler messes with police radar. Further, if you ever saw where stray bullets end up, you’d want to be real careful.
Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfPc8tH8vBY
Not sure this would work long range, and I know it won’t work if you use it inside a closed automobile, but I’ll bet somebody could make some money making these things for longer range and more powerful. Anybody interested?
That was my first thought. Barring a scrambler, a high powered RF blast at most high frequencies (like the magnetron from a microwave oven) would disable one. Another good idea is a high-powered EMF blast (basically an EMP) from the conductive portion of a rail gun (instructions for construction available on the web) would kill one almost immediately.
Oops! My hobby drone “accidentally” had a midair collision with a Federal drone over MY property.
Too bad, so sad.
Well tell me where did those washington criminals get the money to buy the drones ? They don’t belong to one single person they belong to the people and if the people wish to shoot them it’s their property so why not ?
Absolutely, Kill them all (the drones that is)!
How do we know it is a drone? How do we know it’s federal property? How do we know it’s not someone other than the government that is trespassing with intent to do harm. Given the federal property comment, wouldn’t the government then be required to tell you it was flying its drone over your property and when, or somehow visibly identify itself to reasonably identify itself as federal property.
Te-he-he-…. just tell them you thought aliens from outer space were invading so you kilt ’em. Ha-ha-ha LOL!!
“How about some promises – in writing – that any information captured by drones that does not relate to a specific investigation will be immediately destroyed?” Since when can you count on the government keeping its word, even if it is in writing? If you give them an inch they will take a mile. You don’t even have to give them the inch. They take it. Our Komrad leaders are out of control.
ROFLMAO!!!!! What has Olama done every time he said he would or would not do something? You got it… he LIED! It amazes me that people STILL don’t get it.
Shooting at a flying object is idotic, unless your on the fireing range and it’s a clay pidgon. As far as drones flying overhead, I’ve been doing it for a long time. I fly remote control aircraft, with and with a camera. No one has ever complained, but then it never occured to me to snoop. Just be carefull with the laws that you want to change, I happen to enjoy my hobby. In so far as the drone situation is concerned, I happen to approve of it. For the millitary, and law enforcement. It’s much cheaper to opperate, it keeps our men safe and out of harms way and is effective. As all aircraft are prone to do once in a while, they go down, I would rather a drone goes down than a maned aircraft. Say what you will, properly used, I think they are a great tool.
Earl,
Do you think you could design a flying object that could take down a drone?
DJ
You can keep your drones to yourself, thank you. You have no right to fly over other people’s property with your camera and your cavalier attitude.
The problem is that they are not being properly used. These are military weapons designed for use against combatant enemy forces, in situations where the risk to the life of a human pilot is unacceptably high. Using them to watch the citizenry is off limits. Period. Check the 4th Amendment on it. But since the Government has the technology, it it 100% guaranteed that they are using it anyway. Because it is becoming illegal to abide by the written law of the land in this country.
Like all ‘great tools’ they can (and probably have, and will), be misused.
Again, like most ‘great tools’, the government has been, and will often be, misused.
The trick is in how to limit the potential for misuse.
Since we cannot rely on the government to not misuse this ‘great tool’, and people being people, some will misuse the tool for their own purposes – no matter what rules we put in place (those people are called ‘criminals’) – we’re caught in the dilemma of either totally forbidding the use of such a ‘great tool’ – for any purpose – or, reaping the benefits of their use and, like every other ‘great tool’, accept the consequences of their potential misuse.
I happen to like the idea of a commonly available, and commercially produced, counter-drone flying ‘Raptor.’
There are already RC clubs (RC = Radio Controlled) that fly their RC planes in mock combat. Those enthusiasts would likely be the first to fly “Raptor’ aircraft that would be modified to take down (or, at least engage in aerial combat with) any drones that were not ‘clearly’ identified as government property.
A drone flies over your property and you don’t like the idea – send up the ‘Red Baron’ to bring it down. Evenif you are not skillful enough to out fly, and/or shoot it down, you will most likely at least interrupt its surveillance mission – whatever that may have been.
Think of all the hours of entertainment that will provide for us old retired duffers with nothing better to do than sit out in our backyards scanning the air for unidentified aircraft encroaching on our airspace – and then engaging them in some aerial combat!
Bogies at 9 o’clock! . . . . . Scramble intercept!
Ahhhh! Just an old man’s fantasy . . . . .
Are the TOOLS you’re referring to the drones or the politicians?
As for as I know,The drones only have their spying instruments on the bottom part of it.If we were to build OUR OWN drones,and fly ABOVE IT ,and drop a steel cable into it’s propeller,BY BY drone.
Two drones go up,and one comes down,theirs !!
Internet buzz would be, “DRONE WARS “
Put a windmill in the center of town. Put on soundproof earmuffs. Put nets around your town to prevent endangered species from being killed. Then the department of homeland security can fight with the EPA for a while.
It has become to expensive for the powerful to allow the common man his freedom. In our indolence and desire for other to protect us and make us secure we have sold our freedom- not all of us but enough of us.
Jf we have to have drones,,,Let us collect info on the richest mafia and use their money to balance the budget. Break them and send the money to those we owe. Take all of Obama’s property and money also.
Thank you for all you are doing, you are doing a great and very necessary task.
I will eventually get to read all of what you sent.
We are going into turbulent times, but the Light is breaking through and this LIGHT will never go out again. Keep on keeping on.
A civilian company should develope a devise that will piggy back the IP address that the done is on and then record what they are surveying without interupting any important need for it’s use. This will verify their statements. As you know the drones are being used along our borders, and in remote areas of the country to find drug growers and other activities. Remember, when the satellites were sent into space( spy satellites). They are still there looking at other countries and ours. Do you think that is good or bad? Shooting at dones is’nt a good idea. The bullets must land some where. I hope not in your house or in someone. What ever goes up must come down. I learned that along time ago when my Dad took me hunting. Shoot at what you are amiming at and do not miss or the bullet could go where you do not want it to go.George