The government is watching your garden
It’s all about control. Some people just aren’t happy unless they can control those who want nothing more than to live in peace. Unfortunately, these people all too often wind up in positions of authority, where they frequently choose to make life miserable for others.
There are a growing number of people in North America who understand that we are headed in the wrong direction. They realize that the time is eventually going to come when only those who have learned to be self-reliant will survive. But many of those in government feel so threatened by the idea of people being independent that they’re trying to make it illegal.
A woman in Tulsa, Oklahoma, was growing more than 100 plant varieties in her home garden recently, including those that helped treat her diabetes, high blood pressure and arthritis. But the city didn’t like how it looked, so they came out and cut it down. A man in Clarkson, Georgia, was fined more than $5,000 for growing “too many” vegetables in his backyard. And a Michigan woman was nearly tossed in jail for planting a vegetable garden in her front yard.
In short, people are being harassed, fined and prosecuted because they are insightful enough to comprehend that growing their own vegetables is one of the things that will keep them from remaining dependent on the government.
Should the government have the right to regulate what people do with the front and back lawns on their property, assuming that there are no associated health hazards? You know how I feel about that, but I’d love to get your take on it. And please let me know about anything you or your neighbors have experienced where government has intruded on homeowners’ rights.
Hmmm…… something interesting. Seems this thread is being read by other than true patriots. Here is what I found when I went to the LandPatent Website mentioned above:
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Does anyone else know where this type of information can or could be obtained? Sounds interesting.
Land Patents are a joke! They are not recognized in any state or county. Real estate-land transactions are governed by the states. Do your state specific research.
We knew this was coming its part of the food safety act!!! Now w/ drones & Ariel survey you can’t be secure!!
Someone just wrote “Soon we will have to fight for our rights.” SOON???? I think NOW!!!!!! is more appropriate.
They ABSOLUTELY HAVE FAR EXCEEDED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. BUT they have ben taken over by the globalist filth. They are cowards, traitors, thieves and liars. It is away past time to stop ingesting fluoride, turn the one eyed propaganda machines off and DEMAND DEMAND BACK OUR RIGHTS.AND TAKE BACK OUR FREEDOM….Screw the cowards at the nsa
Jeff B: I agree with you’re sentiments with maybe the exception of the fluoride. It’s supposed to help your teeth, no?
It’s poison…..look it up
Hell no the government at any level has the right to tell anyone what they can plant that will fulfill the needs of the individual. Illegal drugs are already under restriction and I find that that is OK.
Okay define illegal drugs? Legal and illegal is only a mater of lawyers. Example opiates are legal in some places but you are not going to be allowed to grow them in the US for personal use. Now tobacco can be questionable. I plan to grow some myself.
Roy: Kidding, right?
I live in a rural area on the SW Washington coast and any bureaucrat that comes on the property with the idea of telling me what I can and cannot grow. He/she will be shown the door and told to kiss my naked white backside.
AC: Why would you want to encourage them?
Thankfully we live on a farm – but government intrution is rampent on the farm also. They are working really hard to try to keep us from giving our cows access to the creek so that they can get water. the government is trying to regulate every little detail in how we produce. Farmers are the best managers of the land out there – they have to be we rely on the land for our living. This family has in this same spot for 5 generations now. The more the government gets involved in farming the more expensive food gets. The family farm is also becoming a thing of the past as the government regulates it so much it puts them out of business & we’re gwtting more “corporate” farms. Who really don’t have the same kind of concerns about the land & animals that the family farmer has.
We hope and pray that more family farmers can stay in business. It’s incredible how much farmland is already destroyed and became dead dirth. For many years chemical furtilizer, weed control and spraying chemical insect control has killed everything good & healthy in the soil. Therefore only GMO treated seeds can grow in this kind of soil and we human beings eat this kind of vegetables and fruits and get sicker and sicker.
I have a comment, and a question. The comment is that anyone who owns their property free and clear needs to obtain a Land Patent on their property. My understanding is that, once you have a Land Patent, the government cannot tell you what you can and cannot do on your property, nor do you have to pay property taxes. My question is, “What about airspace?” A former neighbor knocked on my door one morning, said my tree was growing into her airspace, that I needed to trim it or she could sue me. Does anyone know how far up our personal airspace goes? If drones are spying or flying into my airspace, isn’t that trespassing? It would also be interesting to know how much “groundspace” each homeowner actually owns beneath their houses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights. Looks like “airspace” is the space above your property line that you can reasonably use. Now, I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that your neighbor can either claim that the tree is in her space (in which case she can pay to have it trimmed herself) or the tree is yours (in which case you can choose to trim it at your discretion) but I doubt she has a good claim to request that you pay for lawn work in her yard. You know, if the law made sense.
Never heard of a land patent , How and ,or where does a person find more info? Tks Tim
Your neighbor has to right to trim your tree of anything that infringes onto their property. They have the RIGHT. You DO NOT have the obligation to trim it, UNLESS it is dead, dying or diseased. If it is apparent that the limb is unhealthy and it falls on their property, YOU ARE responsible for any damages. As far as ground space, you can dig as deep as you want (drill a well) as long as it is not a hazard except for applicable OSHA mining laws or local ordinances…damn gubment again! More than likely though your mineral rights were bought up 100-150 years ago and someone else owns them. IE: In Detroit the salt mines extends outward 10-15 miles underground. Lakes, rivers and streams may NOT be infringed upon. Doing ANYTHING to a Great Lake shoreline requires approval from 9 different regulatory agencies including 2 from Canada! Certainly wouldn’t want to change the depth of Lake Superior by putting a dock in for my row boat or canoe or the temperature of Lake Michigan by putting in a geothermal pump in he Clinton River!!
MSHA governs mining not OSHA.
If they don’t have a government agency for it, they just figure out a reason to make one.
a little recent-history perspective: back in the 80’s, the State of California adopted enabling regulations so that any municipal jurisdiction which so desired could enforce a requirement forbidding land-owner A from allowing or enabling his vegetation to obscure the solar gains onto the panels of landowner B.
How does one get a land patent?
Also is Texas exempt from the land patent law?
Alan Kreglow at http://www.landpatent.us advertises that he will do land patents for $630.00 per parcel.
SaveYourself: Laws vary in different locales. She probably can’t sue you but she can trim the tree herself up to the property line. If you are made aware of the danger or hazard your tree poses you may be liable if something happens due to your inaction. Your “groundspace” issue is a mineral rights issue and should be addressed in your deed.
Been planting my place for 40 years, my wife, 2 kids and me eating very good still. All my wife’s canning has pa[d off. Pinkeyed Purple hull Peas. Blue Lake snap beans, Peaches and Cream sweet corn (when red birds do not get them) Better Boy, Early Girl and Rutgers tomatoes (Frank) 120 plants these over 6 ft tall plenty tomatoes. Cucumbers run up 48″ fence wire in 10′ frames for 100 ft.
—- If someone were to tell me ” you can not plant any more ” he better have a large check in hand to buy whole place.
— This whole idea of telling people ” you can not plant to eat on your property ” is very wrong. Sometimes I wonder if those who are trying to force us to obey them have had any one who cared for them, showed them how to live off land, or not be dependent on government for food, place to live, or transportation.
Here is a little evidence to prove that my story about my city government spying on me; forcing me to create raised flower beds instead of growing a normal vegetable garden in my own backyard.
Why Police Don’t Need Warrants to Snoop With Drones
written by Conor Friedersdorf of The Atlantic permission to share this article 28 Aug 2014.
Imagine that you lived in a house with a relatively private backyard: fences on all three sides, trees around the perimeter, and no easy way for the neighbors to peek in. Say you’re out there playing with your kids, or sunbathing, or consummating a romantic encounter in a hot tub that, let’s be honest, you rarely use. If I, intrepid journalist, were to appear overhead in a helicopter with the specific intent of peering down onto your property, you’d be justified in thinking that I violated your reasonable expectations of privacy. But your common-sense notions would be at odds with America’s mixed-up Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.
“In the 1989 case Florida v. Riley, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that since airplanes and helicopters often fly over private property, citizens do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy that their activities will not be observed from the air,” Ronald Bailey explains in Reason. “Consequently, the police were permitted use of evidence obtained without a search warrant from helicopter observation of a greenhouse in which they suspected marijuana was being grown.”
At the time, aerial surveillance was at least constrained in practice by the significant cost of flying a helicopter. But today, at the dawn of the cheap-drone era, precedents like the one set in 1989 pose an novel threat to privacy rights. Hence the effort by California lawmakers to pass added protections into law:
Earlier this month the California State Assembly voted to require police to obtain warrants to use drones for surveillance except in exigent circumstances. Now the State Senate has handily passed the legislation with a 25 to 8 vote.
If Governor Jerry Brown signs this law when it crosses his desk, the Golden State will have struck the right balance: permitting drone surveillance in cases where police obtain an individualized warrant, while insisting on privacy rights consistent with the original understanding of the Fourth Amendment, not the diminished version that War on Drugs jurisprudence has given us.
Reuters reports there is opposition to the bill from the public-employee unions that represent law enforcement, as well as the Los Angeles District Attorney’s office, which calls the law “an inappropriate attempt to impose search and seizure requirements on California law enforcement agencies beyond what is required by the 4th Amendment.” Without conceding that this law goes beyond the Fourth Amendment, the district attorney’s argument is notably at odds with the notion that the Bill of Rights was a partial, incomplete articulation of the minimum rights owed a free people, not an upper bound on protecting liberty. Privacy-loving residents of other states should urge their legislators to follow suit.
I realize that Frank Bates is in my corner as he tries to awaken the masses to the IDIOTS that try to impose these stupid laws to shortcut my rights. Every State has these kinds of people. Every time when asked the first thing out of their mouths is, ” it is for the benefit of the people that we violate your rights, it is for your own good and protection.” Personally, I would like to think that there is a different way of doing business without violating my rights or infringing upon them. Food for thought.
Cliff, You give a good example of how the Constitution is getting twisted. The law enforcement groups argue that their constitutional rights are being infringed when we try to limit their activities against citizens. In reality, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are there specifically to protect us FROM them.
Cliff A.: Let’s hope that someone comes up with a drone capture device soon. I’m thinking a net fired by an air blast.
Thank you for an exceptionally well-written and researched post!
It used to be that rights existed outside and independent of the government. But those in power have (literally) taken it upon themselves to define and assign rights as THEY see fit. Now we don’t have rights. We have assigned or granted privileges.
A few years ago I noticed that the climate was changing in Southern California where I live. It was getting drier. Each year, less and less rain fell in my area. For that reason, I took out the small back yard that I have and planted a vegetable garden. I figure that I would be better off watering something that I could eat than to pay for grass that will dry up and turn brown anyway.
After spending several months preparing the soil and taking out the weeds and patches of grass; I put in my vegetable garden. Two months into my garden, I got a letter from my city government. I was put on notice that I was in violation of a city ordnance that states that I can not convert my property into a ranch or farm. My property wasn’t zoned for that.
I was upset because of all the hard work that I had just put into converting my backyard into a vegetable garden. I am talking about 50 feet by 5 feet of dirt, 250 square feet. What’s more, how did the city know that I had put in a garden? So, I decided to see city hall.
I arrived at city hall and asked who do I have to see about allowing me to keep my garden. After being shuffled from department to another department, I finally ended up at zoning.
I asked the guy at zoning, why couldn’t I have a garden in my back yard. “Because it is a residential neighborhood.” he replied. “And,” he added, “you can not plant vegetables in your back yard.” “The city fathers has a vision as to how this city is to look like; it doesn’t include people like you turning your back yards in to truck farms.” I asked him, “What if I keep my garden, what is the city going to do about it?” “The city inspector will come out and see if you removed your vegetable garden. If you didn’t, the city can come in and take it out and fine you up to $1,000.00 dollars and charge you for the city to come out and remove your garden.” said the city zoning guy. Needless to say my jaw just dropped on the floor.
I asked the guy, “what if I planted flowers or fruit trees, then what?” The zoning guy said, “As long as the flowers were in boxes or in a raised Flower bed, it would be alright.” The guy continued on and said, ” The city father’s like the idea of flowers beautifying the city, in their pretty raised flower boxes.”
I then asked the guy, “How did the city know that I was planting a vegetable garden?” I’m thinking one of my neighbors turned me in or something. The zoning guy shocked me with his answer, “Google Earth.” “What the hell is the city looking at my property with Google Earth for?” I asked.
“The city budget doesn’t allow us to go door to door to check on every yard in the city.” the guy replied. So I asked him how much time do I have to fix things. The guy said, “Thirty days.” With that I left shaking my head. “What the hell is this country coming to; spying on its citizens via Google Earth.” I thinking to my self.
On the way home I was getting upset. The city spying on me plus I have to get rid of my garden. All that hard work down the tubes. Suddenly, I got an marvelous idea. I turned around and went to Home Depot. I picked up some supplies and headed home. After a week of putting my new project together, I was prepared for the inspectors.
Three weeks later, I got a knock on the door. It was the city inspector. He went around the side of the house to the backyard. He looked at my garden, my vegetable garden. The inspector wrote a few things down on his clip board and signed it and handed me a copy. Then he left my property. I looked at the paperwork and it said that I was incompliant to the zoning laws of the city.
Here’s the skinny. What I ended up doing was to out smart the city fathers. I built a raise garden bed for flowers, (my vegetables.) I built four boxes; threw in some extra dirt and my vegetable garden was safe from the city idiots. If the inspector had anything to say, I would have told him that these were my flowers that just happen to bear vegetables. But I didn’t have to say a thing. You see my garden was in a raised box, a raised flower box.
Don’t let others tell you what you can or can’t do. There is always around an obstacle. You just have to think it through.
I live just outside the city limits,we have .50 acre and we grow a small garden every other year,we’ve never encountered a problem with being taxed or harassed for growing our food,In North Carolina we support our Local Farmers “Religiously” as well as living sustainably,most people within the city limits have a small garden themselves,so it may have a lot to do with the area in which you live and the local laws governing,which is horrible.these state by state laws are getting out of hand,but on the other hand if you think we have it bad try having to truck water for miles just to get drinking water for your family just for the day…it’s getting bad all over the world folks…not just here…it’s everywhere….
that is not right we should be able to grow legal crops,and as many crops as we want.
I would avoid living in a community with a homeowners association, if at all possible.
I enjoy growing edible plants in an ornamental landscape format. Fruit and nut trees, blueberries and bramble berries, perennial herbs, and annual veggies and fruits arranged in the yard in beds, containers, borders, growing along fencing, interspersed with flowers and ornamentals, with pathways, hardscape, an ornamental pond, etc., so at first glance, it’s not obvious a lot of food is being grown… if that’s a problem to any “official” types.
Oh! Send us pictures! I’m always looking for inspiration for that kind of thing. My vegetable gardens are, well, very basic looking, but I like the idea of making them more beautiful.
I do not like HOA’s either. For many reasons. But I would love to see pictures of your gardens. We all need a bit of inspiration now and again, esp. when we have gardens that do not co operate or do not produce like we thing they should.Or have slugs, or bugs, etc.
Home Owner Associations are not for me. My girls new home has one and they told her you “have to” apply x number of inches of mulch to your flower bed by Friday or we will do it for you and charge you. She sold new home. Will not tell what she told them lol lol
There are homeowner associations thatcan prescribe what color you can paint your door, what can be grown in your front yard and in some communities there are other restrictions. My community does not encourage anything other than large expanses of trimmed grass. I grow wild flowers, ground cover that attracts bees, flower bushes, hedges. We grow some veggies out back but only because the sun is better there. Don’t tell me where to grow my veggies.
As long as you aren’t cultivating any drug producing plants the government should butt out. The problem with the one lady was that she was growing stuff in her front yard instead of back yard. Some communities allow that (there are several in San Diego) and others don’t.
This makes me sad, needles to say. I have been deeply concerned for our future as a nation as well. I’ve noticed a significant increase in ‘Preppers’ in our country. If rational people are starting to prepare and try to live off the grid, there’s a problem. Thank you Frank for all the help and hard work you provide for us, I would like to ask everyone: what are some ideas or suggestions you can share? Do you have an alternate home? Do you have a community involved in emergency funds? What are your thoughts on bartering?
I am a on disability now as a result of many workplace mishaps and have too much time on my hands so i read, thus everyday i become more politically aware. Im an army vet and the wife an airforce vet also number one son eight year marine corp combat vet. both wars. We love our contry and live quitely in the sticks. I have grown up self sufficient lifestyle and raised our kids to do same.
All that said my heart weeps when i read what my fellow man tolerates and suffers. Whatever happened to the land of the free and home of the brave.
my dad used to say i was fond of cutting off my nose to spite my face, guess he was right cuz ive lived all of my 48 yrs. That way. I dont take crap from anyone. None of my family does. You will only impose your will on my cold dead bones and folks around here know it. Im that quite old wolf better left alone. we could do with more folks who have same qualitys i figure. Send those bastards here to tell us we cant grow our corn and tomatoes n peppers etc. I will use em as mulch. God Bless you all and hope the people grow a spine soon.
You are “on disability now as a result of many workplace mishaps and have too much time on my hands”. Also you and your wife claim to be “vets”. Yet you are a macho, self sufficient dude. Tell me… what happens to your self sufficiency when the ‘bad guys” are undermined enough that they have to cut off all of your props?? My guess is that the big bad self sufficient “grey wolf” probably will be singing a different song.
Wow, Jess, could you get a little more negative?
My husband is a 23-year Navy vet, on disability, and I am an Air Force vet. We are both retired. and, yes, receiving those “props” you disparage so. Does that make us dependent on the “bad guys”? Well…
We own our house and land free and clear, and in 4 years we will be completely debt free. We are building healthy savings. There is nearly a year’s worth of food and necessities stored, and a healthy garden. There is an old well on the property, which we plan to reclaim within two years.
Within the next ten years, we expect to:
Fence in our property, and put blackberry, raspberry and nut bushes along the fence for food and an added layer of defense; triple the size of the garden; put in a small fruit orchard; put in a gasification/biomass system, and solar/wind power systems; and get chickens. Oh, and we’re teaching our two big dogs to pull a wagon.
There are other preparations we are working on, but not ready to talk about yet. But bottom line ,Jess, when the “bad guys” come knocking, these two “gray wolves” will be doing just fine. How about you?
Oh, one other point: If you have to deal with a system, as we do now, the trick is to USE the system to your advantage. For instance, we take advantage of all medical assistance we are eligible for to make sure we are as healthy as possible. Conscientious self-care HAS to be a MAJOR item on every prepper’s agenda.
This is unrelated to gardening, but when we had a well drilled a couple of suits showed up with 3 gallons of bleach they claimed they had to dump down my well. I ran them off. But seriously, who could think that was a good idea? The water had been tested. And bleach isn’t exactly healthy for the earth.
contribute to FREEDOM WATCH; they are suing the President in all manner of ways, they also impeached Pres. clinton and won that fight, they are having a matching funds campaign right now. also see Judicial Watch, they sued on the acorn issues and are continuing on election issues. there are many knowledgeable org’s suing this corrupt admin. although “bonnie and clyde’ continue to dog our political landscape, and must be defeated at the polls. the American public is asleep and fail to any longer recognize ‘conmen” and conwomen. we have become pleasure seeking, have forsaken the political scene as ‘not worth our time’ etc, we must get involved again, thru org’s such as the above.
It’s a far cry from the government encouraging “Victory Gardens, yes, even in the front yard, during the WWII
Second thought: a people who don’t even recognize their God have no direction, and quickly find out “common sense” is anything but common, especially in the political arena.
The comment by unbelievable above gives the remedy to this problem. Too bad it goes largely ignored as evidenced by the other comments. YOU ALL GAVE UP YOUR SOVERIGNITY by signing the CONTRACTS offered by the govt. They can do ANYTHING they want beacuse YOU ALLOWED it by YOUR CONSENT. You who refuse to heed the message deserve all that your going to get.
A county helicopter flys over our area for photos and surveying. If you build something in your yard, the county will tax you for it. I have a quarter acre of property and I plant an organic garden on part of it. My concern is whether I will someday be taxed for it. For now, it is protected by a number of fire arms.
MAybe do like they did in a james bond movie? they had a camo tarp over the poppy fields, it looked like a bed of grass from the air….
Whats unbelievable is the comments here about “voting the scoundrels out” Thats NOT going to work. You’ve all WILLINGLY given up your soverign rights by agreeing to the govt’s contracts ie: social security, drivers lic, ect. You are agreeing to corporate contracts which ALLOWS them to do all this stuff. The REAL republic is vacant and ready to be occupied again if only you fools would listen! Research it!
And where is this republic of which you speak?
Google “Twin sisters Garden”. Folks are going to have to quit doing the standard paradigm of planting in rows and are going to have to do gardening STEALTHILY.
Furthermore, if the SHTF, a traditional garden is a proverbial “sitting duck” for every sort of looter, etc. who is hungry and unprepared.
Think “edible landscaping”. Think container gardens – they’re portable. Think gardening indoors near that glass patio door.
Considerable research and practice are in order to deal with this problem. One other thing: Google Agenda 21 if you want to know where these ornerous laws are REALLY coming from!
When the 2008 crunch came, I expanded my garden on the side of my property. Since then, six new house have gone up , rip downs and redoes, McMansions. Rest of my yard is landscaped to the hilt. That garden is staying right where it is. I know that in my state and in a lot of other state there are state laws allowing you to not only grow what you want on your land ,but also you have a right to sell it out front! . These government control your life yuppies need to be straightened out and put in their place. This is still America….isn’t it? Or am I wrong?
Everyone that has family or friends in the military needs to contact them and tell them that under no circumstances, are they to stand against their own people… no matter what the gov says. They should know that already, but obviously need to be reminded of their duty to the ‘people’… not the gov. Once we control the military, the gov won’t have a chance and will be forced to comply with the will of the people. Voting doesn’t work, neither does sitting around talking about it. Just like weeding a garden, one must simply do it and not just talk about it.
(90-95 % of the the sheeple in this country do not have a clue and it’s this same percent that are so politically undereducated as to what the thieves and liars are doing in OUR government from the local level to DC (District of Control). It’s time to refresh the tree of Liberty as I am fed up with politicians and the way the lazy, or complacent, or politically uneducated have sent this country on a downhill slippery slide. The only thing these Political Party criminals understand is BRUTE FORCE!
I recently heard it explained WHY we cannot impeach the “president”. It has something to do with his stopping short of causing HARM to any business-. Well, I am 1/millionsth part OWNER in the United States of America. I would be willing to Pay $10.00 to cover my part of a law suit to sue him for damages as a party to a class action suit against him. He is doing things illegally and causing great harm to my God-given rights as a Free Born American. He has turned my government against me and my neighbors, thus causing fearful, life threatening situations to many of the freedoms I once counted on him to protect. His leadership now causes me mental anguish and fear for my and my families lives. He has caused my ability to support myself and my family to become so damaged I fear we will either be starved to death or will be murdered for what little we have worked so hard to get…So, rather posture and strut your guns and moan and groan about this mess–do something about it!!! If each of us put our money where our mouths are and donate $10.00 to some high powered law firm, imagine what 10 million people giving $10 or $100 each could do? A class action suit of 20++ million people—imagine THAT?!!
See Judicial Watch, Alice. They have lawsuits going on a daily basis. They mostly sue for the truth, under the Freedom of Information Act. They have been able to obtain the real scoop on such things as the Bengahzi attack, Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious, and the horrible vacation bills the Obama Family has stuck us with. Donate to them and they’ll get it done!
I retired from the Navy after 26 years, and I can tell you that some of us knew we only had to obey “lawful” orders. Shooting and/or killing our American brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, etc. would not be a lawful order and many would not. Alas, many would, thinking if their commanders ordered it, it must be OK. If I had gotten such an order, I would have dropped my weapon and walked away. If the commander (senior of any rank) persisted, I’d have shot him/her.
here’s the problem. if any troops are activated hey can easily be isolated, ie, have to turn in all radios and cell phones. They will be sent OUT of the local area. They are then fed a line talking about the locals there are involved in insurrection and fed any line those in charge want to make up, So they WON’T be attacked ‘citizens’ they will be attacking ‘terrorists’.
the us people have already accepted socialism , just not the title.
Can I put my food tower 10′ tall in my backyard?
You can see it at my web site or ask me for its picture.
Frank, I haven’t heard or seen anything like in your article, in my area of New Jersey. I am not a violent person by nature; sort of a live and let live kind of guy as long as you don’t invade my space and try to ram your ideas down my throat. Don’t get me wrong, I do like to hear about how others think and feel, but when they start telling me I have to do this or that or I should do it their way, I do draw the line and cut my ties with them. I’ve met a lot of people in my 70+ years on this earth who have tried to make me do it their way or when they think I should. You know the kind; their way is the only way…
Regarding the article about telling you how high you can have your veggies growing or that you have too many; I guess you have to know all the details of the situation. I have seen some pretty raggedy gardens. If I am living in a rural or farm area, I don’t really care how your garden looks. If you are living closer to the city and just about everyone has a very neat and tidy garden with flowers and or vegetables, I think you should use some self control; you don’t want your house and garden looking like a junk yard, it brings the home values down in the area.
I’m a little confused by your post. You start out by telling us that you don’t like it when people tell you what to do, and, in fact, will refuse to have anything to do with such people after such a conversation, and then you proceed to turn around and tell people what to do.
Not only NO, but hell NO!!!
We recently moved to 5 acres in the midwest. Our hope is to make it a self sustainable “hobby farm”. We moved from a town of about 2500 that had become far to interested in what private citizens were doing. Mostly dumb stuff like barking dog, grass clippings in the street, etc. My concern is they could use these flimsy excuses to access your property. I planted flowers in my front yard & put peppers & tomatoes in with them. It looked pretty & most people had no clue from the street or sidewalk they were there. I’m sure certain neighbors would have complained had they known. I am still amazed that in most communities a few jerks can cause trouble for every one else. In our case it was 1 guy complaining about something constantly. He kept our block on pins & needles constantly. Sad thing was city played right into his hands.
its sounds as we are in china, russia not in the USA. Where did our rights go. We own our homes but we can’t do what we want. If this is going to happen then the government should give us all mason to live in then they can tell us what to do and how to do it. I guess moving underground are in a mountain so out of site our of mind what they can’t see will not hirt them. I also feel being ex military I thank god this was not going on when I was in are would have told the government to kiss my butt and got out. I tell my nephews not to go into the military because one day you may have to aim your weapon at me because the government tells you too. Need to fire everyone in DC and start over. Only 8 yrs that they can stay in office. They don’t stay at work yr around. Two months then go to their home state and work. And dump the IRS, FBI, NSA, all those crazy power hungry employees.
We are on the road like a freeway to socialism and possibly even communism by these actions. Those entities in the various government positions are trying to control every aspect of our lives. Why, do you suppose? Political correctness is the main driving force….losers are jealous of those who succeed and have ambition. Others want to be reliant on “Big Brother” to take of them and not take personal responsibility for their actions. It’s a sad state of affairs that our great country has sunk so low as to condone such actions.
I recently received an email that related to a comment made by a recent Cuban Refugee. Quote” Markism is not on its way…It’s already here” Do a search on Ted Cruz’s father speech…very enlightening. AS far as those in the military they need to remember thet they have the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) If any member of the military doesn’t know it they have been lied to and in the UCMJ ….if anyone issues what can be determined as an illegal or very questionable order they are to arrest that person and lock them up ..>PERIOD! They all swore an oath to support and protect the U.S. Constitution of these United States and that is their first loyalties and trumps any other order while in this country. Just because the whole world had been declared a battleground by Obama and his sickos doesn’t make it so. It has been noted that Obama is staging a bloodless Coup. If he or his kiss _ AZZ agencies get too out of hand they are so Helsinki bent on killing Americans then we need to protect ourselves from this enemy and retaliate in like manner! I’d rather die an American defending my country and its constitution than live a slave.
Last summer a veteran of Iraq was putting up siding on my home. He had been shot in the leg twice. Once in the front from enemy fire and once in the back by friendly fire. Anyway I was discussing about how many young veterans I see a gun shows. Those that I talked with seemed to be well supplied in ammo and arms. I told the guy working for me I felt the these young vets were getting prepared to fight against their own country as our rights are being taken away. I also said I felt that I didn’t think our active forces would take actions against us at the order of the President. He told me something shocking. He mentioned lieutenants but it could have also been non-coms. They were asked by their commanders (don’t know if it was immediate command) would they support firing upon their own citizens. He told me that the ones that said no were removed and shipped out to other assignments. Now this is during an area of fighting in the Middle East. What has that got to do with firing upon their own citizens?
Road to Serfdom by F Hayek. Central planning sounds good to a lot of folks who don’t check history to see what it did for everyone else who tried it or let it happen.
You talk about the “freeway to communism” – heck, even in Communist Russia folks got to grow their own gardens. THIS thing we are faced with is even worse in some regards.
Karl, google Holodomor.
So far, we don’t have anything like this where I live in AL. I’m sure there are neighborhoods in Birmingham, Mobile, Huntsville, etc. where one is highly restricted on what one can do on their own property. E.g., in my home town of West Monroe, LA this was highlighted on an episode of Duck Dynasty, when Jase burned some leaves and put a few chickens in his yard. This was against the Homeowners Association Contract. This of course is binding and enforceable. I personally would choose not to live in such a place. If however there were no such restrictions in the cases mentioned above, then the government stepping in due to complaints of others (probably out of jealousy more than anything else). I think the biggest problems in this country are due to a lack of a critical mass of citizens with “Civic Virtue”. Our form of government as envisioned by the founding fathers, depends on this. This requires that one be willing to sacrifice and serve. As Kennedy said so well: “Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country'”. Our current times are driven by an overwhelming mass of egocentric individuals, most of whom claim a belief in God, but obviously not in his instructions on how we are to live.
I have 5.5 acres with horses, chickens and we’re thinking of getting some pigs. I regularly build and grow whatever I feel like growing. I have a 500 foot driveway that leads to my main property. I haven’t had any trouble with anyone telling me what I can or can’t do – however – stories like this make me want to start closing the gate that I normally leave open behind my truck when I come in off the road. I don’t want to become paranoid. But, I don’t have any problem keeping noses out of my own business either..
I only wish one day I could live like you live. One day you may need to lose that gate. Even have that land confiscated but for now enjoy!
you might try goats too.One thing i do is to make it where you cant see your stuff from the road.i have about 50 ft of tall brush and trees, so you cant see in.the drive is curved so you cant look down it.If things go bad people cant take what they cant see
Government has no right to dictate what we do on our property. They should be content with the moneys they receive from taxes.
So what happens when your goats, chickens and pigs stink up an otherwise residential neighborhood, and reduce property values?? Do the neighbors have no rights or recourse?
I have seen urban homesteading done very well – it does not have to reduce property values at all.
JESS: Are you just looking for trouble? Every comment of yours is negative,insulting or just plain rude. You will soon get to the point where you will be ignored by all here!
NO the government should not have that right, the government is meant to be “Of the people, by the people & for the people” What ever happened to that??? I have been a gardener for over 35 years now and I would NOT stand for anyone coming onto my property and destroying what I worked so hard on to feed my family safe food. Our founding Fathers would be disappointed if they could see the turn our government has taken. Very infuriating!!!!!!
Government has no rights.
Rights are bestowed unto man by God,and government can not give ,or take them away.Government is supposed to protect us regarding our rights.
Sadly under the Communism that we have slipped into that is no longer so.Soon we will have to fight for our rights.
Home Owner Associations I will not live in a place that I pay for , pay taxes on and someone telling me ” You can not plant anything I say you can not plant “
Shame on the idiots that gave the order, shame on the goons that carried out that order and shame on the neighbors who probably didn’t stand up for them!
RIGHT ON RAIN LADY!! The only chance we have to save this country is to VOTE THESE FOOLS OUT OF OFFICE for the sake of our kids and grandchildren BEFORE ITS TO LATE !! GO TO THE POLLS NO MATTER WHAT !!!
amazes me that none of these people are in jail……I would be for beating the crap out of the person who cut down my garden…..I would have made such a stink that the whole world would know about it. SPEAK UP PEOPLE don’t let these bullies do this to you. don’t be the victim stand up to them…..get your shot guns out and rack it…..usually the noise scares them away…..fight back
I agree acts perpetrated on me like this will have retaliation.
They may never realize that is me but they will pay.
YES SIR, that is the way to handle it at that point!
This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read! I would get an attorney and I would campaign actively against any council member that voted for and supported garbage like that. Those cities should be ashamed of themselves. As long as the gardens are kept (not over run with weeds which could cause rodents etc.), there should NEVER be a law or order preventing one from growing their own food!
Scary times we live in, future looks bleak. If we keep going in this direction I feel sorry for what my grandchildren will be up against. Personally, I’m working on home defense and getting off the grid. Good luck.
DITTO…and almost done with making it as miserable as HELL for anyone whom tries to cross the line of no return for them!!
Ditto, guerrilla warfare works well. We saw that lesson in Nam.
Property Tax you don’t “OWN” your land even if you have paid off your Mortgage, You rent from the Government.
Honestly….The bigger problem is Home Owner Associations. They will make you dig up a tulip bulb unless it is approved. So if you don’t want control, do not buy a house in a HOA. Every single scandal happening in the US right now is about CONTROL and they are ALL CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. NSA spying & recording our calls (Civil Rights violation) IRS targeting (Civil Rights violation) AP scandal (Civil Rights violation) Gun Control (Civil Rights violation) Attacking Religious rights (Civil Rights violation) Homeland Security listing self sufficient Patriots as a threat to the US (Civil Rights violation) Using Chicago threat tactics against whistle blower’s Freedom of Speech (Civil Rights violation) Policing your veggie garden (Civil Rights violation) Time to get off your recliner folks. Pull the weeds that infest our Freedoms….VOTE them OUT!
Vote these people out of office and take our country Back Now
An beautiful garden is much better and appealing than over grown weeds. I agree that things are going too far in so many different relms.
There isn’t down to earth appreciation anymore it seems but you can find appreciation.
However people cannot always just move because of the changes that have come.
That is why I have always stayed away from HOA and live in a diversified neighborhood.
We still cannot have over grown weeds but the neighbors do put up with a lot and have
patience for getting things together.
I have A garden in my back yard what me an my famleey dont eat I give to my neghborhood.I hope no one tries to stop me. God Bless America.
I find it interesting that it is becoming illegal to grow food that improves your health, and makes it possible for you to eat organic food not the GMO vegetables being sold in the grocery stores. I also find it interesting that marijuana has been legalized in 2 states (WA, CO), and it can be grown legally in those states as well. Now, what used to put people in prison for many years and leave you with a criminal record is soon becoming benign, and one of the very things that helped make our country independent (agriculture, gardening, farming) is now becoming illegal. This is progress?
hi Frank
10 years or so ago was reading every thing I could about conspirrsey theories. I still believe the moat of it to be true. I would worry and pray about the Gov control. Then I realized that all of this junk is all part of the one world Gov. as told in the bible and there was nothing I could do or say to srop any of it. If God said it, it’s going to happen.
May God bless
Harry
Hack down my garden and you will meet your maker.
It’s people who want everything done for them. Self reliance scares them. They know that they will not be ready so they try to make and force the self reliant people down to their level so everything is equal. The people that aren’t self reliant are going to be the first casualties.
Why should the government have any say in what type of garden food we grow or how much. This is just another power grab to put the AMERICAN CITIZENS under controls that to be honest
are totally over stepping on our freedoms. They say that we need to eat better, well it does not get any better than straight from the garden to our steamer. As far as the size if it is in the back yard so what if it takes up the whole yard.
Weeeeeellllll…. I will reluctantly disagree with the author and some comments on this matter. I think it a great idea for people to be able to grow their own food a little, especially so they have a better idea of how the food grows. Unfortunately, I can’t agree that some of the alleged abuses we might chastise truly constitute abuses. Most of what I’m reading relates to gardens that’ve been grown within city limits, on relatively limited spots of land. THAT is the problem.
In particular, that little bit about associated health hazards creates a real problem. Usually we associate problems with pesticides or other weed control with this, but this neglects other hazards. Anyone who suffers hayfever or other allergies can tell you that some times of year can be utterly miserable, precisely because sinuses go nuts whenever a large amount of pollen comes about. In addition, even a well-tended garden will often require maintenance to keep out “unwanted” pests; rabbits, snakes, squirrels, and other small animals. Not to mention the problem that the yard may look horrid. I recall being able to look out our rear porch dear throughout my youth, seeing the house on the other side of the alleyway, and thinking that it looked more like a jungle than a yard.
Considering that this site tends toward addressing concerns related to how people might survive a major societal disaster, we DO have an implication towards growing larger amounts of food.
On these grounds, I must suggest that if people wish to grow large, fruitful gardens that aren’t intended for cosmetic purposes, they’d be best advised to move to a location outside city limits. Inside a town or city really is not a good place for a quasi-farm plot.
Or, while I haven’t had time to review the materials on aquaponics, I might suggest building a greenhouse and growing food inside. That might attract much less unwanted attention and be much more useful for food growing anyway.
Oh BTW There is frequently a helicopter flying over my house and the large totally enclosed garden (even the top) and you can bet that is why. Get tired of the idiots flying over so often making so much noise. They are in violation of the altitude rule over populated areas. Thes nut cases are at tree top levels. And in Texas at that :(:(:(
We do not have a government!!!!!!!!!!!!! Government is a governing body! We have a CONTROLING ENTITY!!! There goes my soap box. I know all her understand that but sometimes I just gotta say it or explode.
Citizens who have the initiative to grow their own food are also very likely to be strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment. Enough said. But they should also be aware of any local zoning or land use rules or covenants that their land is subject to, and try to get them changed if appropriate.
Rural areas are great places to live for many reasons.
It is a ticklish situation. Zoning laws are written to protect citizens from the actions of their neighbors – actions that may lower property values. Since the value of our property represents the fruit of our labor, anything that protects our property is protecting us. Of course, there will always be overzealous enforcement, but the principle behind the regulations is valid. “Your rights end at my nose”.
So, if your neighbor decides to use his yard as a storage yard for wrecked vehicles, zoning laws are there to protect you and his other neighbors.
The courts have come out in support of things like your right to fly the American flag, to install solar panels, to have a TV antenna or satellite, etc.
We just need to petition our local governments to recognize our rights to grow our own food.
I don’t care whether it is front yard or back yard, it is my yard and I’ll grow vegetables there if I want to. I do believe that you need to take care in what you grow in your front yard so as not to detract from the neighborhood. But there are many small plants like lettuce, radishes and such that can be included as part of the landscape without damaging the overall appearance. For government authorities to come in and destroy someone’s vegetable garden is an abomination and people need to rise up against such practices. If we don’t, it will continue and get worse. I agree that it is all about control.
The garden is mentioned throughout the Bible and all other Holly Books. If the garden was important to God then it must be important to us. We must look through different eyes at what is happening around us, not the eyes we watch television with but the eyes that we hunt with, the eye of the warrior.
Groups like PeTA, HSUS and the SPCA have bombarded us for years about how to care for animals. We even believe that they love animals therefore we must love animals also. Do not be fooled. Animals are to be used as food; animals are not about the petting zoo. Now these animal right groups are demanding changes in animal husbandry that rejects scientific animal research in care and feeding of food animals used in feeding the world population. If you breed less then you feed less, read more about the animal right intrusion from the Cattle Association, Hog Breeders, Dairy and Egg Farmers and the list goes on into infinity.
A good garden should be able to feed you and your animals. Let no one take your garden.
A free man does not need to ask permission……James C. Demoruelle
The answer is Hydroponics you can do in your basement
The day they touch my garden is the day someone will be eating dirt!
I believe it is the individual towns that create and enforce these zoning rules, however, it is usually a meddling neighbor who files a complaint that initiates the government’s involvement. As far as I am concerned, people should be able to do whatever they want with their own property, as long as they do not create a health hazard for anyone else. Suppose that they say that your grass should not grow above a certain height. Okay, what about flower gardens? Are there any rules regulating how many flower gardens you can have, how large they are, or how tall ornamental plants can grow? Essentially, what is the aesthetic difference between ornamental plants and vegetable plants? Why is one okay, but the other not? The same goes for raising animals? Why is your neighbor allowed to have three large, barking, pooping dogs, but you cannot raise a couple of chickens? These are questions people need to ask of their town zoning commissions, and fight to get the rules changed. Large, well-manicured lawns are a relatively new phenomenon. Past generations used grass to make a walking pathway among their taller growing things. If I don’t like the way my neighbor’s yard looks, I will put up a fence, so I don’t have to see it. Thankfully, I was able to move to a rural community a few years ago, where vegetable plants and farm animals in the yard are common, so I will hopefully not have to deal with this problem.
It is time to get a Little Shop of Horrors plant to protect my garden from revenuers and unlawful law people.
I wonder what would have happened if you had shot a couple of them for trespassing and destroying your property.
They’ll have to pry my tomatoes from my cold, dead hands.
It’s all the Food Giant Companies behind this push like ADM! Need to stop them in their tracks.
To much government! You own your land, PERIOD!! I could never live in town or subdivision with all the rules.
We live near a small rural area on 8 acres I have a friend who is a tree surgeon who brings me mulch from his jobs, i had a large pile letting it turn into dirt. 40x40x8 foot or so. I am zoned agricultural but the county got a complaint and in all their wisdom said i had to remove or burn it in 1 week that i was processing and i was not allowed to do that. but I could have some from my garden. idiots
You’re right, this is part of Agenda 21 which is not only intrusive, it’s much worse. Google Agenda 21 and educate yourself for protection. So, the best way to handle this is to make your vegetable a flower garden – i.e. planting polllinator attractors for bees, butterflies, hummingbirds and the like right in amongst your vegetables. It’s how nature does it anyway. Also, instead of making it very obviously a vegetable garden, with big fence, rows, ugly cages, etc., grow in 4’x4′ squares with pine chips or straw in the 1′ pathways, and integrate companion plants together so it is good use of the space (much like “Square Foot Gardening” – see the book – but better use of space and larger growing amounts than a traditional in-ground garden. Also you can do this with raised box beds.Another clever way to camoflage a vegetable garden is a Permaculture technique called ‘keyhole’ gardens where you plant curved rows with indentations for stepping, no straight lines, with bushes and trees placed here and there for accent. It doesn’t have to look at all like a traditional vegetable garden but produce one heck of a lot of food.
But by putting flowers and color into the beds, it doesn’t look like a vegetable garden, it looks like ornamentals. By putting flowers around the edge and in the beds, many of which are medicinal herbs with flowers, unless you broadcast what you’re doing, nobody would know what they were looking at. A bean trelis with sweet peas inter-planted looks like flowers. It’s called garden camo. Hope this helps.
Di
Enough already, It is your land, In front yard not tasteful, but for them to come in and chop down the plants in your back yard – is going way too far. I can agree if you have a overgrown yard (in Front) but this is going too far.
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We heard part of it on news, that in Greenville SC right after we moved close to that city, that
you would be fined if you had a chicken coop on your property or if you raised over so many hens.
We don’t have specific details, but want to raise hens and get our own eggs. We are somewhat skeptical, but still intend to do it. Before we moved, we heard in NC that you could not give
or sell neighbors veg. from your garden. I don’t know this source either, so it would have to be verified to repeat. Thing like that do make us scared of the US Government control.
Another issue, and you may have touched on it here before, is the GMO issue and the inability to get non-GMO seeds to grow for ourselves. The recent Supreme Court ruling against an Illinois (I think) man who purchased cheaper seeds from a competitor who (according to the SCOTUS) broke patent law by selling the cut rate seeds. SO, they CHARGED THE FARMER with violating the patent, and sued him and sadly, sickly and IMO -illegally–being awarded $85,000 for planting seeds that he was able to buy for a second, risky, planting rather than paying the exorbitant rates from this ONE company who controls 90% of the soy seed in the country! Talk about screwing future generations–I have been looking for non-GMO soy–of any variety–and CAN’T find it! If something comes by and kills the M (company) strand–all Soy will be gone in the US. THIS IS NUTS!
BTW–LOVE THE BOOK–building our solar panels and scoping out our windmill spot now!
I agree with Gloria — this is not the government. It’s people who want everyone to have a flat green lawn. In our town it’s OK to annoy everyone with your leaf blowers and hours and hours of mowing your chemically treated lawn, but not OK to plant an environmentally conscious natural prairie area in your front lawn. No one cares about peace and quiet. I can’t avoid their noise, but they CAN avoid looking at my front lawn — and yet guess who doesn’t get her way?
Many of the problems arise from neighbors, they complain to the city.
Mrs. Obama has asked the people and endorses vegetable gardens within city limits, and I have seen community gardens for the neighborhoods. I know of schools that teach children to garden and have gardens in their schools (agro-sciences schools) we need more of this type, we have music, art schools etc. why not increment the number of this, that will give us the chance to survive catastrophes with knowledge.
If you own a property in most towns they can not say what you can do with your inside backyard except for animals, animals that they consider farm animals. (odors, noise, etc)
The developers are going now for the Condo Communities, people likes them because they feel secure and do not have to maintain them although you pay a hefty price for the service) why because what they sell you is an indoor place as you do not own anything else they own everything else so if you are one of them remember you are a follower not a driver of your desires regarding what you own.
And finally yes the big goverment go for the rich to make them richer and us to make us poorer.
I have a greenhouse and a garden but I do not live in city limits! I don’t think it is any business of the government to tell us what we can do on our property unless it is really illegal. Growing foods isn’t illegal!
Ultimately, the people who are oppressing us are the CORPORATIONS who OWN the politicians.
It is the supermarket chains and the agro-industries like Monsanto who don’t want us to grow vegetables. Legislatures and city councils are just their hired flunkies.
In Texas, it is illegal to even insult a food product, & in several states you are prosecuted for photographing industrial animal abuse. Who do you think is behind that?
It’s OK to be outraged, but if you have the wrong target you’re just doing the real enemy a big favor.
There are communities which have rules everyone agrees to adhere to. Less laws and rules are better for most of us, but there needs to be a few. If people agree to abide by restrictions then change their mind later, they should relocate or continue to live by the rules originally agreed to. Outside of those confines, anyone should be able to plant anything that isn’t noxious or harmful to the environment. A lot of plants are poisonous to various critters, and people. Domesticated animals depend on their people to keep them out of harm’s way. As for the guy who wants his golf course lawn to stay pristine but lives next to a neighbor whose garden presents pollination and weed concerns, well, if there are no restrictions as to what’s planted or grows according to zoning those people agreed to abide by, then they have to learn to co exist with the dilemma each poses to the other and that’s that. We don’t want to change for other people anymore than other people want to change for us. We are individuals yet we are also adults. So we pull on big people pants and get on with life as it is not how we wish it was. If pulling daisies out of an otherwise perfect lawn is our biggest concern in life, then life is good. If planting a raised, covered garden is necessary to maintain organic standards while living next door to a chemical-happy lawn-obsessed-nut-job, than that’s what we do and again, if that’s our biggest concern in life, life is good. And yes, I realize I’m drowning in mental masturbation.
I am a full believer that our government is trying to control us And I believe it is time that we the people grow a pair and fire our government and install a real American government that cares for the people instead of three pockets and greed . We need a new party not a communist controlling party.
That’s nuts!!! How can they do that?
Regarding greenhouses:
Local zoning ordinances determine how many separate standalone stuctures can exist on your property. Study them.
If you live in a deed restricted community, the relevant documents may further restrict what you can do with your property. Study them.
I fix, rebuild and repair my own vehicles and the County Sherriff came out a few years ago and told me that I had to get rid of (remove) all the spare parts that I have acquired for fixing and rebuilding my wife’s car and my pickup truck. I told the County Sherriff to get the hell off my property before my dog gets hungry and has him for lunch. The Sherriff threatened me that if I didn’t get all my spare parts removed within 30 days, that he would have a county work crew come out and remove the parts for me at my expense and sight me for improper care of my property and also serve me with a substantial fine. When everything was said and done, the County Sherriff hasn’t been back because of what I found in the local, State and Federal law. So long as what I have wasn’t viewable and or out in plain sight of the public view and public road, I was in the right to have all those spare parts. That was some 5 yrs ago, and I have had now problems with the County Sherriff’s Office since then.
I am so thankful for Americans like you. We are in different times than we grew up in for sure. I am going to order the homemade power plant for sure!! Thank you so much!! You are doing a great service for the citizens of this country! SHARED ALOT OF YOUR STUFF ON MY PERSONAL FACEBOOK PAGE. Good luck and God bless!!
Re the front yard gardens…some municipalities, including the one I live in, use the excuse that grass over 6″ high is verboten. So they will leave a message that if it continues another week, they will assign someone to come onto your property and cut it…of course following up with a nice healthy bill. I have container plants and square foot gardening in my back yard. It is fenced with a privacy fence, but I notice that city vehicles often drive slowly down the alley. I think they are covertly looking through the board slats for inspection. I own two lots and have fruit trees, grape vines and three pecan trees. I have begun a small indoor garden in my insulated garage.
To my knowledge, I am not breaking any laws. However, some subdivisions go crazy with their association rules.
R Bradford
I too would like to know if anyone has encountered opposition to putting up a greenhouse…anyone?
I have a small garden, so far no one has said anything.
It’s a lot of work. I have poor soil, I’m having to build it up.
Sometimes I feel like I’m don’t getting anywhere, but I look back on the photos I have taken and I see how much it’s changed.
I would be very upset if anyone did anything to it. Besides you can’t eat any of the food in the stores.
Good luck, and God Bless us all.
Hello … Frank
Just Friday I was visited by a woman knocking on my door and she had a clipboard and pen in her hands… There was a card with its headlights on parked at the top of the entrance of my circular drive… She began by NOT giving me any ID etc. ; and started asking me who I was …. and did i live in this house…!!!!! ? Can you know since I am a Veteran 35 yr. principal Broker Realtor and have lived here for 26 yrs. and am 72 young yrs. …AND AN AMERICAN PATRIOT IE, CHEROKEE HERITAGE TOO… I said whoaaaaaaa !! Who should be asking WHO you are !? coming to my porch and who is that parked in that car at the top of my drive….did you come in that car…!? She said I am a 3rd party company hired to see if this house is occupied and by whom….take pictures of my cars, pontoon, my home, buildings and look around the outside of my home… Frank I asked her if she notified me and ASK if she could come upon my property and the car in the drive blocking my entry or etc. ? I said I do not know you nor why you are here to Inspect … my home or business which is none of yours… She said the mtg. co . does not need permission to protect their interest of my mtg. and if they wanted to they could take a crowbar or kick in my door if the house was left vacant ……………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what about a months vacation to see my sick daughter….vacation………………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you hear this because I would not sign a paper she had to confirm who I am… and I am the owner of this property… They have a reverse mtg… BANK OF AMERICA…. HAS SOLD MY REVERSE MTG. TO AN MIDDLE EAST COMPANY IN LANSING MICH … AND THEY ARE CHARGING ME FOR A DISPUTED $124.80 TAX BILL THAT WAS NOT MINE TO BE PAID … AND THE AMT. WITH PENALTIES AND INTEREST SINCE 2010 IS NOW $1300 .. !!!. I HAVE RECEIPTS AND COPY OF TITLE CHECK AND BANK STATEMENTS WHERE COUNTRYWIDE MTG. IN 2009 ILLEGALLY TRANSFERRED MY TITLE OF PROPERTY TO BOA… WITH ERRORED TAX AMT…THEY WANTED ME TO PAY FOR THEIR ERROR AND I REFUSED …BOA SENT ME A LETTER AND RECINDED THE MISTAKE…AND NOW IT HAS COME UP WITH THE NEW COMPANY …. HOW SWEET SHE TOLD ME AND WARNED ME NEVER TO LEAVE MY HOME WITHOUT SOMEONE HERE ..(.AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT WHY SHE WAS HERE) . SHE SAID THEY CAN BREAK DOWN MY DOOR AND CHANGE THE LOCKS AND ME OUT OF MY HOME …AND NOTHING I CAN DO…BECAUSE I AM IN VIOLATION OF MY MTG… AGREEMENT.. SHE SAID THEY TOLD HER THERE WAS NO ONE LIVING IN MY HOME … NO FURNACE …HOLES IN THE HOME AND …THAT IS CONTRARY TO “ALL ” THE TRUTH…NO PMTS. LATE ….ALWAYS HERE …NEW ROOFS, WONDER FUL CLEAN YARD TRIMMED TREES … NEW 2 MONTH OLD FURNACE…THEY HAD BEEN HERE AND THAT IS WHO LEFT MY BARN DOORS UNLOCKED FOR THE WIND TO FLAP WHEN I CAME HOME FROM STORE; AND UNDER MY CRAWL WHERE WATER HEATER AND FURNACE IS. TOO…!! .. .SOMEONE SCRATCHED THE PAINT AND CUT THE PAINT ON THE DOOR OF MY LS 400 LEXUS TRYING TO GET IN IT… MAY GOD HELP US …IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ENDURE BECAUSE I OWN AS MUCH EQUITY OF THIS LAKE WATERFRONT PROPERTY AS THEY DO… …..SO NOW I AM GOING TO GO TO BATTLE WITH THEM …FOR THE ERRORS THEY HAVE MADE AND I MADE A POLICE REPORT FOR THE THREATS AND INTIMIDATION TO UPSET ME FROM THEIR HARRASSING AND ERRORS …NOW TO HUMILIATE ME…!!
Zeke, how right you are “Agenda 21” was fiction but it’s staring to come true eevery day. With the person thats in theWhite House now an exective order from his trusty pen can put you in big trouble. I plant what I want as I need it. It takes all summer to get everything caned up. Have never had anyone say anything about our 5 acre garden.
We need to put down our toys and learn to fight at all levels of gvmt. or we will experience the worst ever. I don’t like it but this is where we are. I know those on this site are fighters but we sure need to recruit a lot of people.
READ AGENDA 21, as it is being implemented right now!
I think people should be organized & tidy about doing anything in their yards; especially if they live close to other people. Incorporating vegetable plants into their flower gardens & making it pleasing to the landscape, shouldn’t be offensive at all.
what roadblocks has anybody experienced in getting the ok to put up a greenhouse ?