House steps in to limit DHS ammo buys
With the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) continuing to claim that the only reason for its recent purchases of hundreds of millions of bullets is for target practice for its agents, some lawmakers are doing what they can to slow it down until they can get at the truth.
The House of Representatives recently voted to limit the amount of ammunition that the DHS could buy and stockpile. An amendment to the annual DHS spending bill was proposed by Representative Mark Meadows, a Republican from North Carolina, and was approved by the House by a 234-192 vote.
The amendment blocks funds from being used to buy ammo until DHS submits to Congress a comprehensive report on its ammunition usage and purchase history. You’d think that an accountability report such as that would be standard procedure when a government agency seeks to purchase huge amounts of ammunition, but no. It’s just another in a never-ending series of activities that try to avoid accountability.
Many people have become suspicious that the ammo buys by the DHS are for the dual purpose of limiting the amount of ammunition that gun owners can purchase and creating a stockpile to be used in the case of civil unrest. DHS denies both of those charges.
Do you believe DHS officials when they claim that their massive bullet buys are for target practice for their agents? If not, what do you think they plan to do with all of that ammunition? I’d love to hear from you about this.
All this hysteria, one way or another is of little concern to me I will provide myself with those tools I deem appropriate and apply them in a like manner.
I mean, all this hysteria has a legitimate basis but, at the same its,’ its-to-littlte-to-late’.
If the truth is to be known, it would be that the DHS and other groups in the Obama Administration were to be his private army that he initially bragged about. They were to serve as the enforcement arm of his dictatorship. He has a very short time to decide to find an excuse to declare martial law. But he has been ineffective in confiscating guns, so it would be very dangerous to try anything now.
I believe that the Obama administration had a plan for a shadow government. I agree with the last statement of fellow patriot stated, all the agents don’t practice on a daily basis maybe every six months to qualify. I also believe that the government started and back to IsIs and other terrorist groups, this is a mom of ammunition with no explanation is very suspicious and dangerous. We need to know all the facts, stop all finances to the department of homeland security until a clear explanation is forthcoming. It’s a real possibility that civil unrest was the main purpose of this purchase. And I believe they call it agenda 21 , But the population of the US as we know it today. Be safe, be aware, don’t trust your government, and God bless all of us.
I absolutely agree with the DHS’s two reasons for buying all that ammo. I think as long as Obama is around we can possibly see some of it!!!
“Target Practice ” does not require hollow-point ammo! Your imagination is the only limit to what the real reason is, just take a pick: Anti-civilian, anti-terrorist (?), supply to Al-Qaeda and the continual supply and support to ISIS, (probably) -our “strategic assets” deserve the best! Not only did the US initiate and develop both terrorist groups, but this admin has supported both from the beginning. It is documented…
I’ve worked with a lot of DHS/FPS agents/inspectors and many of them rarely if ever practice shooting between qualifications even though their range time and ammo is free to them. Hmmm!
If they were buying only bullets, it could only be to make it impossible for ammo manufacturers to get the raw materials for their product, to limit the availability and increase the price of ammunition. However, if they were actually buying cartridges, it could be for both purposes, to limit access to the people and to use against the people in the inevitable uprising.
You hit the nail on the head, If DHS buys it all there is none for everybody else .Obummers scheme for gun control. What good is a gun if you are out of ammo.
They need to compare the purchase during the Bush Administration and now. I read some where that during the war in Iraq, they used some 50,000,000 rounds. That was to fight a war ! If they need to purchase hundreds of millions, I would have to say No. Hell No !
Hollow point bullet for training right! Sinister motives no doubt!
There is no comparison. 50,000,000 rounds used by the military for fighting a war does not compare to hundreds of millions of rounds purchased for non military agencies. Now if you wanted to compare non military purchases under Bush with the non military purchases under obama then it would be a balanced comparison.
On the hollow point ammo it is not only the hollow point but the shock wave as well that kills as well.
Among other possibilities, the answer might be no complicated than buying up all this ammo so that the supply to the registered gun owner will be dried up, giving the citizens no means to fight government tyranny. It’s about control of the population. What’s new?
The amount of ammo they have purchased would keep all of their agents busy shooting it 24/7/365, and all of them would have sore wrists and shoulders. It is probably the amount needed by the army in a combat situation, and more than enough to kill every citizen in the United States ten times over, even if they missed more than half the time.
Doing all they can except defunding those ammo buys.
If they are using the ammunition for target practice we need to see the records they are required by law to keep in expending the rounds
You don’t use expensive hollow point bullets for target practice! They explode on impact to cause massive destruction and so, they make sure whatever you’re shooting at doesn’t get back up!
They expand on impact! Learn about guns before you start spreading bull! Study, study, study, you’ll be surprised what you will find out.
Some of them do fragment, and appear to have exploded. Even so, you do not use them for target practice, because of the expense.
Quit parsing words and playing expert, Larry! There’s a bigger story here than your self-proclaimed expertise.
History has told us that in ANY country that denies or limits access to weapons of any type, lays the foundation for Anarchy and Dictatorship. And that crime of persons on persons goes up because innocent victims are not allowed to protect themselves.
While some look at Australia and Great Britain to promote their cause, the real statistics of crime are not reported to show the failure of their systems.
Most individual are ignorant to the fact that if they have only lived in the city all their lives, the world changes drastically beyond the city limits of “safety”. Owning 2/3 or more weapon in rural America and a small stockpile of ammo is normal. BUT being prepared for the worst and hope for the best demands different tactics..
DHS stockpiling ammo is not new, they caused the shortage in 2008 when Obama was taking over the office. Now they are doing it in fear of race riots like in the 1960’s because of the current climate in the states.
But added to that, is a true silent threat of the “No Go” zones of Muslim communities. They want our freedoms, but will not take arms to protect it. They like our economy but not to obey our laws. Any one is free to confirm this. It is a new reality that we face.
In the end, I intend to be at the “top of the food chain” when the sh#t hits the fan. So I will do my darnest to be in that situation. Trust in the government has eroded. Being self sufficient is the new norm for enlightened persons.
ex military/ ex peace officer
Vanessa, couldn’t agree with you more. Well stated.
I have a juicy pile of dung for the faces that believe that craped….it’s all out war here!
If DHS is using all that ammo for target practice, they must be at the range three shifts a day. They don’t work that much.
It’s quite obvious from all that Obama has done and that he has a forged birth certificate. He is here illegally,not and American,but Muslim and all about Islam. His intent is to use the ammo. on American citizens without a doubt!! He is deceitful,dishonest, and such a fraud for a president. He wants to be king in America and should be impeached immediately!!! I cannot say enough about the evil of Barry Barack Soetoro Hussein Obama.
Since Barry and his Muslim brotherhood administration can’t take our guns, they are stocking up to kill law abiding Americans who believe in the 2nd amendment and consider themselves a Christian. Martial law is coming.
If they intend to go after the Patriotic Citizens of this country, then all beneficent considerations should be discarded. Let the Citizenry defend itself, and take no Prisoners.
May God Bless us all! With the transition that is underway on this earth, we will see the evil make its last stance to inflict as much pain as possible. Stand strong,and unite under the truth of love ! If we have to do anything, simply do nothing. Get two months of food and essentials, tell them NO MORE, park your car wherever, no work, no purchasing,nothing ! Until truth, which is the diametrical opposite of our current government regime, leaves, and we humans can take back what is ours ! It will work much faster and be less bloody than any civil war which is just playing into their evil plan ! I love you all ! Love you, and your neighbor ! Signed, THE TRUTH
It’s the beginning of the end for America as we know it. Obama has no intention of leaving office. He will introduce Martial Law so he can continue his Dictratorship over the American people
Who or what manufacturing plants are selling these bullets to the DHS. I have heard that Soros has or is trying to buy all of our bullet makers. This would make sense. We better wake up & soon.
Just a side note: why are we always told that Social Security is running out of money for people who contributed to it, but never a word that Welfare is in financial trouble for people who’ve contributed nothing?
Howard I have been saying the same thing for the last several years. We have allowed this government to take what is rightfully our and give it to people who don’t even love this country.
Soros has already purchased some of the leading gun factories or so I’m told. hen Obama tries to induce martial law, we should load our guns and take our country back. Obama has no American values and is intent on completely destroying our great country. He should have been impeached long ago.
You have hit the nail on the head. The only reason he has not been impeached is because the House and Senate will not do there job, because they are afraid cause he is Black. Let say it like it is.
The DHS has and is buying ammo that are hollow points. According to the Geneva Convention, hollow point bullets cannot be used in a World War. Personally, I think the DHS is buying hollow point bullets that can and will probably be used in a civil uprising. Lately they want to buy sniper rounds. Who are they going to snipe? An American Citizen that jay walks? The DHS is a Security Agency in the United States. They might be trying to drive up the price, or they may be stockpiling the ammo they want to buy, but it is high time they stop or someone stops them. They purchase ammo for SS, DHS, Dept. of Agriculture, Forrest Dept. and all of the depts. except for the CIA, FBI and the Military. They have their own sources and their ammo is of military grade.
I wish I knew how to manufacture my own ammo. I want to be independent and not have to rely on manufacturers. They may not be independent of government interference or have stock available for law abiding citizens to purchase.
Not hard, $220 gets you started. Empty cases are like gold, do not throw them away, can be used multiple times. Talk to your local gun-shop they can get you started. a Single stage press is fine, slow but study.
Reload yes. But go all the way and cast your own bullets. Shoot more and shoot more often
Can you say Martial Law and FEMA camps…just like Hitler…Its time to wake the hell up and save your lives. Obama needs and should be arrested for Fraud…enough of his madness on America.
There is no excuse fore these purchases, except for the use on their patriots, that love their country.
I look at history, the NAZI Party, reestablished a strong military, in violation of the peace treaty they signed at the end of WWI, they confiscated privately owned firearms, and they begin isolating , confiscating the property of and moving non Aryan peoples to work camps(slave labor camps). There they were mass executed, or if they were selected to work, worked and starved to death! The SS the equivalent to HLS, or FEMA, were not military line units, they swore allegiance only to Hitler. HLS and FEMA are not military line units, yet both of them are buying more ammunition then the 5 military services, and we are still at war. The only explanation I can think of is that they will u used to conquer and subjugate the American people. Defend the Second Amendment and demand CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY everywhere in all states. This would be open, or concealed carry,of hand guns and/or long guns. This and this alone will stop the overthrow of the American people. The argument “guns kill people” does not hold water, every year more people are killed by motor vehicles then guns even if we count our military casualties in war. I have yet to hear anyone blame the car, or demand that they be banned and destroyed. Drunk drivers cause a great number of these accidents, we already know prohibition does not work,but stiff prison terms and prohibition of auto ownership, and monitoring for illegal vehicle operation,could reduce traffic fatalities. No one will ever propose banning motor vehicles, enforcing laws is a very low priority. We need to get back to the Christian God, and his moral standards, and teaching our children solid work ethic, and accomplishment!
Hey, just read Stalin’s Manifesto and compare with what is happening in America and you will get a good idea of what is waiting for us if we don’t wake up and do something about it.
Why is everybody comparing to what is happening in America to “NAZI” Germany?
First of all The Dept. of Homeland Security was created with the aid of two former East German STASI officials. They were communists, not “NAZIS”.
Furthermore Chertoff’s parents were major communist party officials in the Soviet Union, they were also jews. Chertoff is in fact a Bolshevik jew.
What we are encountering is the rise of a jewish Bolshevik state in America.
Stalin was, in fact, much, much worse than Hitler ever was or could be. Stalin had no morals or humanity; after all it was because of him and with the help of the Bolshevik jews, 50 million Russians including those of the Orthodox Faith were slaughtered mercilessly. These same Bolshevik jews convinced those who owned guns to turn them in and when they complied, they were all massacred.
The real threat to America is jewish Bolshevism, the same ones who control izrahell and are waging war against the people of the middle east…yes that means Muslims.
The DHS is simply a combination of the KGB, and STASI.
Why the DHS is purchasing so much ammo is obvious; it is meant to be used against Americans.
Congress, if it intends to do the right thing, and serve the interest of freedom and liberty loving Americans needs to defund the DHS and shut it down. The same goes for the NSA, FBI, CIA and others that have proven to be of more harm to America than any external threat.
Ya know what really gets me about you fake cowardly punks calling yourself patriots? You are so damn ignorant truly incompetent impudent boy’s playing men. You know nothing of war yet you speak of it as if you do. You have no clue what is coming only what bs the government has fed you. Top secret means exactly that dip shits. Do you really think if there was a plan of martial law you would have even the slightest clue? No you wouldn’t. God your stupid and thank goodness for that I suppose. We along with the rest of the world will be facing a global catastrophic event very soon it has already begun. You will see soon enough. Stock up on fresh drinking water and supplies take care of your families and be thankful your government has been preparing by spending trillions of dollar’s to ensure the best outcome possible. May whatever god you believe in be with you.
Joe Truth,you sir are totally delusional if you think our government has our best interest in mind
Joe,
How is it YOU know all this – when we dipshits don’t? Your name calling and defamation serves no good purpose. Why is it you can’t express your opinion – like these other people are doing – without insults?
All of this is only opinion. None of us have “the truth” – if there really is such a thing on this world.
You tell us to take care of our families, but how do we accomplish that if we are, indeed, being lied to by our government and in danger of being attacked by them? How do we do that if we can’t buy ammo that will protect us against looters and desperate people who have not prepared for the worst when it arrives?
You are as naïve as you accuse us all of being!
They weren’t communists; they were socialists, either National (NAZI) or international (Soviet). Not much difference. There has never been a communist country in the world, and can never be. There is more difference between communists and socialists than there is between free-market capitalists and communists. In socialism, everything is owned by the State; in communism, everything is owned in common, and everyone works his butt off unselfishly for the good of all. This may work in a family or a kibbutz, but nothing larger. Communism didn’t work in the Plymouth colony, which should have had all of the best reasons for making it work, but it failed miserably. Communism is a utopian ideal, totally in conflict with fallen human nature. (It has been said, with some truth, that the only communists are in university faculties.)
Voices from the past give clarity to the present.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
Thomas Jefferson
Sadly, the Tree of Liberty is dry…
Dhs has to be accountable.for the amounts of ammo they w stockpiling and allow citizens the opportunity to purchase ammo for personal use and home defense as well it is a horrid thing to capitalize on ammo deals and not let law abiding citizens to purchase ammo.
The DHS is part and parcel of Obama’s homeland army that is unconstitutional, but he has stated that he will see that one in created.
Look into the eyes of Michael Chertoff and know what DHS plans to do with all those bullets!
So all of you here seem to have a lot too bitch & moan about. I agree with most points. Yep, it’s the Nazi occupation all over again YET, it’s worldwide. But here’s what I haven’t seem mentioned yet. As the Commander & Chief, Obama has the legal power to reduce if not eliminate ALL of our nuclear weapons. I believe he has reduced them by 30% so far. He’s doing it quietly and slowly so no one notices. That’s how this ENTIRE plan has been worked and very effective. Conditioning is a process, along with “Gas-Lighting” being slow and methodical. We get pushed until we resist, then they wait until our guard is down or DISTRACTED (media subversion and mis-direction) then they push forward more… As our kids get brain-washed in socialist public schools to comply with authority and be submissive, we are losing our unified strength. I used to believe in our voting and Republic ideology, until Gore v. Bush in Florida when I saw the corruption thrown in our faces. And those bailouts that they passed SECRETLY, against the public’s choice… Just proved to me that they do what they want. Greed, corruption and above the law mentality. We are so done without an armed revolution, If they don’t feel threatened, nothing will change…
I agree with most of what i read here, but there is one major factor that is not being mentioned! Who thinks Obama is leaving office? If you think there is going to be another election for president think again. Towards the end of this year in September there will be the major stock crash they have been predicting, in October our currency value will start plummeting over night. If a EMP hits or not it does not matter. Obama will call for Marshal Law by the first part of next year nad while the nation is under that we can not replace him as president until he raises Marshal Law, which he will not. That is when Jad Helm stays in place to control the public because the gov will seize all money and weapons to send us to soup lines. People! It is coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
you are dead nuts on! brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just one additional comment. How about prep for WW3? I’m convinced we are not far from the start of the “big 3”.
This whole ammo hoarding thing could be for many reasons. Nothing says something can’t serve more than one purpose. Anyway, I think WW3 is one of the reasons.
GOD bless us all!
Why is it that all media, including FOX. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and others, completely refuse to state what god the tick turd obama’s real agenda is. Its not to set up a socialist state. His game is to turn the greatest nation ever created by GOD into a united states of ISIS. Obama is not an American he is Islamic and should not have been elected president. The Liberals flat screwed up, as they always do, so wake up America and smell the Islamic Jihadist(they really smell rotten) and watch your heads. If their not screwed on tight, they will roll. Joe
Thank the lord there are people that think like. I agree.
Lest ye forget people, it was George Bush who created D.H.S. That being said Obama is just carrying out the hidden agenda of the one-world movement to totally engulf and enslave the last bastion of freedom and the greatest nation on earth. This latest incident is just one more brick in the wall of obscurity to blind and keep hidden the agenda to enslave and take our God given rights as Americans. So you see that this has been going on almost since the end of WWII. I can’t make it up it’s all there for you to see by doing a little homework and fact finding about our government. I don’t why any true American would lead us down this path, but is it clear where we are headed. Obama is nothing more than another 1 world believer following the agenda.
Ok, let’s face it. the United States citizen is a pussy. SOME are just outright idiots. By your comment, you want to blame Liberals, well, that’s part of your problem, blame game. YOU voted for him (the citizen, I don’t vote so I’m not at fault)
You also don’t understand that WE have to unite and stand with EVERYONE. Black, Hispanic, Asian, Muslim, to oppose this fascist government. Yep, I’m a pussy too. I have guns, but until there are 20,000+ Americans, ready to surround DC and force out (YES AT GUN POINT) every corrupt (mostly all of them) and reset our mentality on a CONSTITUTIONAL basis, we’re done, over FINISH as a respectable & feared Nation…
Anyone who does not vote is a vote for the ‘Progressive’ agenda and they must take blame. I vote in midterms and Presidential elections, no matter how I feel about who’s running. Everyone must vote if we want to change the current situation.
Anyone who does not vote should keep their mouth shut. They have no say in what happens. Pretty disgraceful if you ask me.
curb your uppity attitude. you still think you “have a say” in what happens? the truth is that if voting REALLY mattered, then voting, at least as you seem to understand it, would be illegal. the way it is now, voters don’t have a hard choice or an easy choice. they have no choice at all. no matter who anyone or everyone “votes for” you’ll still have the same messy can of invertebrates in the District of Corruption kissing Zionist(false Jew) banker’s asses in every overcrowded D.C. shadow. IF YOU REALLY *ARE* VOTING ANY OF THESE WORMS IN THEN YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
who should “keep their mouth shut” now?
If you don`t vote you don`t speak
Jada Helm 15 Look it up DOD is now hiring at $14.00 an hour and this is to start very soon. This is where a lot of the ammo is going.
I am in full agreement with what most have been saying and am trying my best to make the best of the worst. I only want to point out one thing regarding hollow-point ammunition. The major reason hollow-points are used against civilian targets is to prevent over-penetration. HP bullets stop in the target rather than completely penetrating and possibly hitting innocent bystanders or other unintended targets. It is bad for the target, but safer for non-targets. This is the reason air marshals stopped using frangible bullets and went to hollow-points. It is also the reason police use hollow-points. I am not talking about the right or wrong of it. The fact is that hollow-points are better at dropping the target and less likely to result in over-penetration and wounding or killing unintended bystanders. The use of hollow-points for practice is ridiculous. Incidentally: The prohibition against them for war is the result of international agreements, probably outdated. I seem to remember that 50 cal was once illegal for use against personnel, but it is now used in sniper rifles. Perhaps the prohibition against hollow-points will change, also. Does anyone think it stops a terrorist from using them? I would not be surprised to learn that they are clandestinely used in war more than anyone suspects.
Finally, Obama is a criminal, as bottom line. He is either fraudulently president, or simply a traitor. He should be impeached and tried for treason. Hmmm, seems I said more than I intended, after all.
I agree. Try him as a traitor and carry out his sentence as a traitor.
Right on Max.
OSCAMA should be exiled to GITMO, along with his Chronie Cabinet, the Henchmen and Minions who support his agenda + actions.
OSCAMA has passed over 240 Executive Orders! That Maggot has OCD when it comes to passing Executive Orders!
Ovomit may get a surprise when the SHTF and a lot of DHS, CIA, FBI, TSA, etc. honor their oath to the Constitution and are not loyal to the narcissistic, psychopath Emperor.
They may try to take firearms from citizens, but that will cause a war they cannot win. United Nations troops on our streets and in our neighborhoods to collect firearms will find themselves being easy targets and collecting rounds fired instead.
I pray the military obeys their oath and gets rid of obummer.
They’ll have to pry my guns out of my cold, dead hands!
DHS is nothing more than the S.S. Sooner or later We will shut them down along with many other alphabet fed. agencies…This is AMERICA…If these bastards don’t the constitution best get out of the country…
Right on David.
Criminals obey gun laws like politicians obey the oaths they take. Why is it that the Obama administration preach to us not to judge all muslims by the actions of a few, but judge all law abiding citizens that own firearms because of a few screwballs that kill people with firearms? In my opinion, Obama is a socialist. Every time he speaks he lies. He does not go by the U.S. Constitution. He changes & makes laws without Congress. He is not a king. They always play the ” race card ” as a last resort. I care less about ” race “. When a person has committed the acts this president & this administration has committed to this Country & our citizens, they should be charged & tried for treason against The United States of America. I am entitled to my opinion per our Constitution. Also, I read where in Maryland, people who were voting early stated when they voted for a Republican candidate, the machine would automatically switch the vote to a Democrat candidate. I wondered how Obama won in 2012. I just have had a hard time believing there were that many stupid people in this Country to elect him again. I don’t put anything past him.
My sentiments exactly. I really like the comparison of criminals to politicians. Thomas Jefferson warned us about the last becoming the legal version of the first.
As a Jewish American Army combat veteran. I am very concerned this country is looking more and more like 1930’s Germany. and all I have to say is NEVER AGAIN as long as I have the breath to breathe.
NO question, this is for the “volunteer force as well equiped and well trained as the military” that Obamanation talked about. there’s only one possible reason, that’s to control the people ffom rebellion and insurrection against a corrupt government. During WWII, Hitler called them the brown shirts or Gastoppo, who were not subject to or part of the military, DHS has to be disbanded, because Obamanation doesn’t trust the military!
BOOM!!! I’m going to drop some knowledge on you folks. I just learn to what extent our government has gone to; to make sure that they maintain some form of control over its citizens.
All of you out there, and yours truly, thought that the Constitution of the United States of America will always be upheld and honoured by one and all. Well, I am sorry to say this is not the case.
Check this out: Posse Commitatus Act, Title 18 U.S.C. ( United States Code) Section 1385 was used following the Insurrection Act of 2006, Title 10 U.S.C. Chapter 15 section 333 [whose name has been changed to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order”] Congress recently amended the Insurrection Act, a federal law which allows the President to deploy federal troops within the United States, in the event that state authorities are unable to maintain the rule of law within their own borders.
During the Hurricane Katrina event of 2005, the White House reportedly considered invoking the Insurrection Act in order to send federal troops into New Orleans, but ultimately declined to do so. Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco did not request such federal intervention. The original Insurrection Act required the President to seek approval from state legislatures or governors before deploying soldiers, except in cases where: A localized breakdown of authority has made the enforcement of federal laws “impracticable”; or any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy “hinders the execution of the laws of that State that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law.”
Recent revisions to the Insurrection Act have added new criteria that can trigger unilateral Presidential troop deployments, including: natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States ” that results in a breakdown of local law and order.
The Insurrection Act is an exception to the Posse Commitatus statute, which forbids the use of military assets in domestic law enforcement, except as allowed by the Constitution or an act of Congress.
What does this mean? The Posse Commitatus Act was used following the Reconstruction after the Civil War in 1878 in order to prevent any future Presidents from using the military to execute the laws. However, the Insurrection Act gives the President the authority to use the Armed Forces to intervene when the State Governments, fail, refuse, or neglect to protect “the legal rights of its people.
Furthermore, our Government also passed the National Defense Authorization Act, (NDAA) Sections 1031 and 1032, [it declare the unconstitutional right to detain Americans indefinitely without trail, but it authorizes an (Internet offensive and online Pentagon Takeover under the pretext of Cybersecurity and Stopping online piracy.] In short our Government just threw the Constitution and all the building blocks that made this country great out the window and ran it over with a bulldozer.
President Obama, under an executive order called the National Defense Resources Preparedness, (NDRP), sets himself and future Presidents with Presidential dictatorial powers over the nation and the American people whenever he chooses to implement it. This executive order is related to the Defense Production Act of 1950, written as a result of the Korean War. This order makes it clear that the Nation need not be at War, or threaten with aggression by outside forces to be implemented. The order specifically states that it may be activated in peace time.
All actions of the Order are ultimate controlled by the President. In this case, President Obama has appointed the National Security Council and Department of Homeland Security, (DHS), Security as the “integrated policy making forum” for all Order policies.
This Order also states that all commerce will be conducted according to the demands of the President. All “services, materials, and facilities” may be commandeered by the President “as deemed necessary of appropriate to promote the National Defense. . .”
Also, emergency preparedness mandates of President Obama’s Executive Order will be carried out according to Title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief Act. Managed for years by FEMA, this ACT is known for its creation of “Temporary Housing” facilities for displaced persons also known as FEMA camps. This Martial Law that can be evoked at any time, for any reason and we can’t do a damn thing about it.
You really have to look at each word individually to truly understand the various meanings of that word. For example “displaced persons” it could mean people that are displaced due to a natural disaster or the homeless, or even undocumented aliens. The government has tried to cover its bases for any and all contingencies without any regards to its citizens or the people that live in this country. I do believe that we have been cheated out of our rights by our own government. The United States Government just treated us like they did when they took the lands from the native Americans. Are you going to let this happen? Research this for yourself, get the word out there and start to make these changes. Our Representatives voted for it; they allowed it to become a law. We need to make some major corrections and damn quick.
Now I am going to tell you the truth, I wrote this early this morning on another topic that Frank Bates had called ” Tired of being pushed around by the feds, some states think they’ve found a way to beat the big boys from Washington.” This particulate topic needs to be said and spread to the masses as soon as possible. When you combine the above Act and Executive Orders with the United Nations Agenda 21 you will get the full exposure of a dirty little picture of others view their fellow human beings. I have here something that you need to copy and store in your computer for future reference. It may sound like some sort of a bad Sci-Fi movie plot ; but, I’m here to tell you it is real and it is going into effect a little at a time. Look at this pdf file and judge for yourself: http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
When you take good people like Frank Bates and others who are trying to spread the word to others to learn to become self-reliant and independent from the Establishment. We can not afford to be “dumb down” by our government. We need to stand tall, widen our stance, set our feet and jaw, and ready ourselves for the knockdown drag out life or death fight that is to come. I just finished doing some research and I have written down some of my findings here for you good folks to read . I have supplied the various references so that you can read for your selves so that you can make up your own mind(s). We are all in the same boat. I think it is about time that we take over and start rowing for our own good and not the elite or the government or the world. I would like to see and hear what you have to say for your selves.
The government now in control of America is a government de facto and NOT the original Constitutional Republic form of government as guaranteed by the Constitution. They are usurpers that secretly took control of America after the civil war, which was the whole purpose of the civil war…..to divide and conquer. These supreme court decisions will help you to understand what has happened to America since then.
There is proof of two national governments in this Supreme Court decision of;
(Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that Instrument. By exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to, a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will result…. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism.… It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence.”
Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, definition of United States:
United States. This term has several meanings. [1] It may be merely the
name of a sovereign occupying the position analogous to that of other
sovereigns in family of nations, [2] it may designate territory over which
sovereignty of United States extends, or [3] it may be the collective name of the states which are united by and under the Constitution. Hooven &
Allison Co. v. Evatt, U.S. Ohio, 324 U.S. 652, 65 S.Ct. 870, 880, 89 L.Ed. 1252. [Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition]
De facto – In fact, in deed, actually. This phrase is used to characterize an officer, a government, a past action, or a state of affairs which must be accepted for all practical purposes, but is illegal or illegitimate. Thus, an office, position or status existing under a claim or color of right (colored to appear as something that it is not…fraud) such as a de facto corporation. In this sense it is the contrary of de jure, which means rightful, legitimate, just, or constitutional. Thus, an officer, king, or government de facto is one who is in actual possession of the office or supreme power, but by usurpation, or without lawful title; while an officer, king, or governor de jure is one who has just claim and rightful title to the office or power, but has never had plenary possession of it, or is not in actual possession. MacLeod v. United States, 229 U.S. 416, 33 S.Ct. 955, 57 L.Ed. 1260. The people themselves have it in their power effectually to resist usurpation, without being driven to an appeal in arms. An act of usurpation is not obligatory: It is not law; and any man may be justified in his resistance. Let him be considered as a criminal by the general government: yet only his fellow citizens can convict him. They are his jury, and if they pronounce him innocent, not all powers of congress can hurt him; and innocent they certainly will pronounce him, if the supposed law he resisted was an act of usurpation. See: 2 Elliot’s Debates, 94; Bancroft, (1788) History of the Constitution, 267.
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. And the law is the definition and limitation of power. For the very idea that one man may be compelled to hold his life, or the means of living, or any material right essential to the enjoyment of life, at the mere will of another, seems to be intolerable on any country where freedom prevails, as being the essence of slavery itself. See: Yick Wo v. Hopkins ,118 U.S. 356 (1886).
US Supreme Court in Luther v. Borden, 48 US 1, 12 LEd 581:
“… The governments are but trustees acting under derived authority and have no power to delegate what is not delegated to them. But the people, as the original fountain might take away what they have delegated and intrust to whom they please. … The sovereignty in every state resides in the people of the state and they may alter and change their form of government at their own pleasure.”
Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, (1886) “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”
Sadly no one seems to know the things that cause us to be held captive by our own permission.
Social security numbers when accepted binds you and I to the corporation that resides in the district of columbia. This corporation then with the unwhitting acceptance of their contract with us (ssan) then has the right to tax individuals which is something not mandated in the constitution, thats how they get around that subject.
My eyes were opened a few years ago to the things (im sure not all) that has happened with who is generally referred to as the government which absolutly takes any rights we have legally. The corporation of the us operates under the guise of a warm, caring all protecting government for the people and by the people when in fact this is a for profit legalized criminal organization that is extorting the citizens of the united states with taxes
Thank you Frank for all of your efforts, keep up the good work
Obummer needs to b afraid. You Guys are incredible. Are there enuff patriots left to take this regime down? I Knew a lot of this but this so clear and concise and well written. Every American patriot who loves his country needs to read this. Thank you.
I have a friend that contracts some work on the fema camps. There all on Gov. land and most U will never see, or here about. He just got through working on one just 25 miles from my house. This is one reason why the Gov. is trying to take all there land back that is least out to farmers, or ranchers. Most of the camps are at old military bases, or way out on federal land. Do U know of any Gov. land that has been shut down to the public, or any national parks. Home land security is obumers private army. They are like the ATF, heartless, Godless, cold blooded killers. Nothing about them is patriot. Anyone that takes orders from Obama does not believe in the Constitution or God. U do not take up arms against your on people, for the failure of the Gov. If U think this Pres. is bad, wait till Hellary gets in there. They both have 3 6’s on there heads. She is really more evil. Obama wants to help spread islam. Anything he can do to hurt the American people he does it, from healthcare to common core, the dollar to the military cut to the bone. Global Warming is a big a lie as obumercare. Stay Ready, GOD BLESS AMERICA. This will Google something else to sell to the Gov. Have A great day all.
So we hear about the FEMA camps – -but where are they? Anyone seen one, or know where they are situated?
Seriously? Did you Google FEMA camps? I just got a map of 800 locations in less than 1 second.
Damn, I have two FEMA Camps only 10-15 miles away from my house respectively. TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT.
Obama is going to make an end run to try and stay in power (king of the united states if you will).He will declare marshall law and try to stay in power. Why else has he let go all the officers in the armed services.So he will have an easier way to enforce his takeover.His goons will be all the freebee handout takers in the land,and all the foriners he’s let come across the border.I don’t think and I praythat excisting troops of our country will see through this attempt to take over America.That sob better know that he will be in for one hell of a fight if he does try this.I would like nothing better than to see him and his cronies hanging from a tree at the white house ,so every one in the world can see ,you don’t tread on us and you don’t mess with our constitution.We americans would rather die than not be free of tyranee and the murder of our own.He should be arrested on the spot as it is for the things he has done.I really don’t think our excisting troops will follow his lead against us,they like the rest of us love our families and friends.He’s sadly mistaken and it will backfire on his muslim butt
HEAR HEAR!!!!! i can be counted on to keep the faith. my line in the sand has been drawn. ” better to die on your feet than live on your knees”
I’ve been telling people since Obammy was selected, not elected. Discernment. He was hired by the NWO elite to destroy America and he’s done a fine job for them. I have been saying from the beginning, that he will not leave office. Through executive orders, he has now given himself the power to call martial law which will suspend the November elections. He has decimated our military, opened our borders to diseases, gangs, drug cartels and terrorists. There is so much corruption in the banking system, Wall Street and all government agencies. It all begins at the top, We need a vote of “no confidence” by the people. It’s blatantly obvious that our elected officials, who are supposed to be representing the people, are going to do nothing for the people. There is no difference between the two parties. They no longer exist. Look at Agenda 21, the attacks on our Constitution, the militarization of our police, poisoning of our food and water, spying on everyday, ordinary people and the slaughter of Christians. It’s not going to stop until the people rise up and take action.
Mainstream media is dis-informing and programming the people. We are losing all our sovereignty to the UN. If you would just open your eyes and investigate the so-called conspiracy theories, you will learn more than you reckoned for. That process began for me years ago. I was initially overwhelmed, but if you learn to follow the money, you will clearly see how everything relates to everything else you are witnessing.
As far as the other comments about possible civil war…that could be. I do know that everyone I talk to know our economy is going to collapse by design. I do know people are getting ready for whatever comes. I think that is what the global elite want. They want to dramatically reduce the population and have their slave class. Look at Kim Jon Un for an example of what to expect.
When it hits the fan, believe me, our elected officials will be running for cover. There are underground bunkers and that are very sophisticated. They are prepared. There is a secret government and they are prepared. The ones they really need to be concerned about are the lone shooters or groups that have no leaders. There will be more false flags, as there have been many throughout American history. I feel real empathy for the future deaths and injuries of those involved in the false flags. Take care my fellow men and women. Make peace with your Creator.
People say that O wasn’t prepared for the presidency. He is an intelligent man and knows exactly what he is doing and planning to do. I think he is evil and a narcissist. Believe me…there is much more to come. If you don’t believe that, then begin reading God’s Word, because off of what we are seeing today is happening now.
Better to die free than to live like a slave.
If the Mullah and Chief wants me or my stuff, he’ll have to take it from me after they kill me first, however, if i die it will be on a bed of brass.
It’s not US troops that the pres. will use to control the people. He has made deals with other country to bring in their troops to fight unrest. CHECK IT OUT !!!!!!!!!
You’ve hit the nail on the head! The latest deal in this regard is Cuba.
thanks, i needed that
I just wanted to say I am and my location where I live are pretty well ready for anything. Also the Ammo deal you just have to remember about some stories of books and stories of real events Some of these are like Jesse James,Robin Hood,Red Dawn, and other events that has happened before;
When Obama gets through destroying the USA, and everything totally collapses, marshal law will take place. They know a lot of people will fight back, that is what they want. They will be a bunch of brain washed thugs with no regards to the Constitution. They will be nothing but looters, & killers. It will be a private army. Fema & HLS will be one in the same. Why are fema camps being built all over the place. Why does HLS need all those armored vehicles. The ammo will be divided up between Fema & HLS. We are facing bad, bad times. Greed & power is the down fall, from all the government. Anything this president can do to bring hardship on the American people, he loves it. Makes U wonder about him. He sure has a soft spot in his heart for muslims, really makes U wonder. Think smart America, & GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
I don’t have to think about it. Obomba is the antiChrist or at least the son of satan. He feels nothing, has no conscience, and is the most narcissistic person on earth. Why do you think he gives Hollywood everything they want, like recognizing gay marriages as being real when they are the spawn of the underworld. bho is the most perfect person the OWO could have enlisted to attack our country…and the stupid, ignorant liberals thought they were creating history by voting this black mamba into office. They are the ones who have brought death to our doors and they still do not get it about what they did to our Country. Every last one of those idiots should be forced to live in another country because they have no idea of what their idiocy and stupidity has done. America doesn’t need them. But, please know, they will be the first to fall if there is a battle because they will be standing between the government and the citizens trying to “FIX” things. Haven’t they done enough to our country already. Time for these freaks to find a hole under a rock and climb in there.
As for what is going to hit the fan…something is up. And I do know that obomba doesn’t have blood flowing in his veins but black tar. The level of evil inside him is frightening and it was there from the beginning…that first day he took office. Listening to him speak made me throw up so badly, something that only happens when I’m in the presence of evil. He has no Soul, nor heart, but is nothing but a rotten corpse of hate. Why is he still walking around? I do not understand that. How many good Presidents were assassinated in office, while we have the worst most destructive man to ever darken the White House…and he still walks free??? It makes no sense. Have there ever been attempted assassinations on him, but they were covered up? There are too many people who HATE this man and want to hurt him, so why hasn’t that happened? My only answer is that he truly is the son of satan and that is who is guarding him. We not only have a physical battle with bho and this govt., but we have a spiritual battle as well. Pray for guidance and for strength. We are going to need every last ounce of it!
The DHS has been buying ammo for months and months and months. Anyone out here that owns a gun knows the reason for it and if the folks in the government don’t know why then they have been in the dark as usual with this President. They have bought million and millions opf rounds so what is the big deal now of trying to slow them down? Why not shut them down from buying anymore?
Why does governemtn always have to be half ass?
Because when you have half an ass, you only have half a brain too.
Obumer is a traitor, no doubt. He should be tried for treason during war, and if found guilty punished appropriately.
Agenda 21: Help depleat the surplus population
All of D.C. Is really screwed up, and against the average (American ) they should all be asked to leave and then do like WW 2, level all of D.C.!!
WHY does this subject get SO MANY questions asked by individuals???
The ammo is quite simply to KILL Americans that are fed up with government and move to kick them out of office by force!!
There!!! Is that simple enough for you??!!!! If you have any more questions, REREAD paragraph 2!! DUH!!!!!
Whatever the reason for all the ammo, obviously they don’t want Border Patrol to use any during their assigned duties.
Why does this subject get so many questions? When the truth is unbelievable, hard to comprehend, and the answers put you into total shock; of course you are going to get people asking the same questions over and over again. They just can’t believe their ears.
Haven’t you ever had that happen to you before? All you can do is apply a little patience and a whole-lot-of understanding and explain it again.
Billions of bullets. Where are the guns and what controls over them. How many work days used to shoot those bullets??
The latest Government Roswell facts; It was just a hollow point bullet. Another Government lie; trust me I use to work for the Government. No one in Government or military uses hollow point bullets for anything. That is, until Our new and useless Homeland Security came along (NOTE: The FBI was doing just fine, if they would have replaced all who retired and or left the FBI). Who ordered this ammo, type and amounts and who authorized them to order such numbers of this kind of ammo; and what justification was given for the ordering of the hollow point bullets? The Commander in Chief is responsible for these answers and we should not let Him off either. He needs to address this fact to all the American People and give us the FACTS; and not the Dem or Rep BS line they have been giving the American people for years and years – since the Roswell space ship was hauled off and so many Americans were threaten not to ever talk about it again. WE WANT THE TRUTH – Who will be fired because of this incident and for responding with the false and misleading answers to date: 14 Apr 2014! Everyone who holds any office takes an oath to up hold the laws of our land; here we go again, all of them have broken their oaths – how many illegals are in our Country from Mexico that they know about and have done nothing but want to allow them to become citizens. We need to vote all the liars out of our offices and seats and vote them all out the next time they all come up for reelection. We need to take our Government back and put it in the hands of the Citizens of the U.S. the rightful voters of our Country.
Serve the Citizens, voters and tax payers and get reelected into office, stay for 20 years serving the people and not big business and get a retirement like those of us who served our Country. NOW; let’s make a Deal??
Obummer needs to b afraid. You Guys are incredible. Are there enuff patriots left to take this regime down?
Over the pass few years, the military has been turning in their weapons for newer models. With a little adjustment the old weapons can be modified to be like the new ones. There are 13 warehouses full of these weapons just waiting to be distribute.
WAKE UP AMERICA !!! ASK YOUR CONGRESS MAN/WOMAN WHY DHS IS STOCK PILLING AMMUNITION !!????
First off let’s ask the Right Person the question. MR. President why is DHS ordering so many rounds of ammunition? WE THE PEOPLE demand to know from YOU why so many Prison types of Camps are being built in so many of our States. What is with your new Law regarding the right of the Military / Law Enforcement to enter in a home and take any and all weapons/ammo and food they want to take. And one last question; How does a child born in Hawaii obtain a Social Security card number from one of our East Coast States?? We call this a major clue in investigations. Is our President a Citizen or not??? We all need to watch him and what he and both parties are doing as well as when and what they are doing. Get involved in making things right – Vote all Dem and Reps out of office NOW!
Sadly these people cannot be voted out of office. Voter fraud is intentional. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about. If the vote doesn’t go their way (by “their” I’m talking about the illuminati and NOT the individual politicians), they rig the system and the vote count. Saying such things as “vote the bums out” is ludicrous and just plain stupid.
Why does his birth certificate say African Ammerican they were called negroes in the 60 ‘s
President Obama why are you failing to address this matter with the American people? And where is the transparency you promised during your elections? President Eisenhower was going to sick the U.S. Army on offices and areas like Area 51; that would not brief him on UFSs an USOs in our possession. What are you willing to do to expose all the crap our Government hides behind the two words “National Security? Resend what President Truman put into the National Security Act of 1947 that allows our Government to act above the Law and continue to lie to all American Citizens, tax payers and VOTERS. WE the People also want to know the truth – we have paid for it in many – many ways all our lives; with some of us dying in the cause to find out the truth or attempting to disclose it to the Public. Well what are you waiting for Mr. President? We are all Waiting for you to do what you stated you would do as our President. You serve the People not your party or the big businesses that own both Dem and Rep parties.
The National Security Act of 1947 had nothing to do with the US government “keeping secrets” from its citizens. That’s been a common and quite necessary practice going back LONG before modern times.
Bear in mind that when you tell the US ciizens, you also necessarily tell everyone else in the world, including Russia, China, North Korea and Iran.
You may argue that sometimes they classify things improperly, but it’s absurd to argue against the concept.
HeY Obummer stated in his initial election he wanted “CHANGE” and alot of Americans bought into it. He never said the “CHANGE ” would be for the better, only that he wanted change and it was time for america to change. Boy has he been changing things, and it’s all for the worse.
They claim they have no ammo stockpiled, possibly shipping it to countries where unrest and takeovers are imminent, also stockpiling for civil unrest if terrorists attack & DHS wants to control, afterall there is a Muslim on DHS appointed by Obama.
Yes, WHY ?
You do not use hollow point bullets for practice.
You ptactice with whatever you will be USING !
If you want to hit anything, that is.
I take it that you are not a gun owner ….
They did and they didn’t get a straight answer. Now the Congress is going to get tough on DHS. They will tackle this question in 2015.
The can be no question or doubt that B.H.O. has totally change the horizon for his own purposes and is ruining America. The flow if immigrants and especially illegals needs to be stemmed, welfare needs to be cut back and Social Security needs to be protected. Our forefathers fought and died for the Second Amendment. Molon Labe
19 Feb. 2014
I contacted my Senators and Representative the other day and Sen Coburns office said he is leading an investigation into the massive amounts of ammo being purchased. But he’s leaving in December. They put me on hold for a few seconds then came back on ensuring me that there was nothing to worry about. So, I wonder if they will be kicking my door in any time soon?
Must buy more tinfoil.
I don’t even have any firearms. I’m worried about the spending. They vote themselves a raise every year without fail and cut Veteran benefits. If we are so broke why are they spending so much money? Cloward and Piven is a big part of it. With all the gold and silver commercials on lately it makes one wonder, maybe we should have been investing in brass, copper and lead. Why wold someone spend hundreds of millions of dollars campaigning for a job that only pays a couple hundred thousand dollars a year?
It’s time you learned there is no 2-party system in America. They are all in cahoots (don’t worry, I’ve been tested – must be psychologically tested in my profession every year – and I’m perfectly sane and free of paranoia or schizophrenia). The illuminati control what goes on and they threaten politician and/or their families if they don’t go along with the agenda. You will not win no matter what you do. The only way to win is to engineer a coup just like Egypt did.
If you swallow the Illuminati fairy tale, it doesn’t say much for the effectiveness of those psychological tests.
Adjust your tinfoil, maybe add a few more layers.
LOLOLOLOL, Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are you got to laugh at that.
BDBerzerker you got a pat on the head and told all is well by your Congressman. How does it feel when you are not taken seriously. Hopefully you won’t settle for the fast shuffle out the door. Demand the correct answers to your direct questions. Get some people to come in as a group, the bigger the better. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets greased.
I’m tired of reading what Obama and the out-of-control government are doing. What are WE going to do?!!
I’m with NMFGS and we tried to Pass HB44 which is the background checks for guns in NM.
way to I know you will enjoy your slavery and that of your children.. I only hope they can forgive you and what people like you have turned the United States of America on to.. There are countries all over the world that have what you want ,, why don’t you MOVE I’ll help you pack.. I’d bet there would be no shortage of helping hands for that.. But you can’t come back
Hear! Hear!
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Since every State, including New Mexico, already has background checks for firearms purchases, you’re apparently living in some liberal time warp.
Like most anti-gun fruitcakes, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. It’s scary that people this ignorant are still allowed to vote.
You know Donna, there is too much reliance on background checks. I really don’t care for them. I judge a man by how he carries himself. As long as he is a law abiding citizen and hasn’t killed anyone out of malice I have no problem with him owning a weapon. The only thing I would ask is that he be properly trained on how to use it so as to prevent any accidents or mishaps. I’m sure that there is more to it than what I have stated; but this is off the top of my head.
What I am saying Donna is that I don’t need the government in my private and personal business. Do you?
I believe the governments purchase orders were so large that they knew the ammo manufacturers couldn’t possibly fill them in any reasonable time, thereby tying up all the ammo manufacturers time and resources while they try to cram gun bans down our throats, not to mention “lead” ammunition bans in places like California. If I owned an ammo manufacturing company, I would exercise my right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Seems to me that the ammo companies are actually part of the problem, all in the name of “profit”.
I agree. And they are doing this with OUR tax money! So we are paying them to kill us. That’s like the Chinese years ago when they billed the families for the bullets they used to kill the families’ relatives.
There is no “right to refuse service” anymore.
That all ended with the Civil Rights Act back in the 1960s.
Now, you’ll do business with whomever the government says you must, whether you like it or not.
Preparing for civil war. Question is … When will it begin?
Not “Civil War”, Citizen Revolt, or Patriotic Uprising is more accurate.
It will not be a “Civil War”, it will be a REVOLUTIONARY War.
ya David. I do believe a civil war is well on its way. unfortunately history repeats itself. I have been a avid hunter all my life , im 62. and I really am pissed about these ammuniton gun control crap.
Steve Gilles………Indeed history do’s repeat itself. You mentioned that you hunt that leads me to assume that you have a rifle There is a GIANT of wealth on the Youtube channel on how to make your very own bullets. I will admit it took me a few practice runs to get it right but I finally did!!! I’m 46 I will be 47 in October who say’s you can’t teach an old dog new tricks?!!!!!!
It has already started. Take a look around and you will see it. For example, there are people that live in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California where their property is on the boarder with Mexico. The U.S. Government decided to build a large fence to separate the two countries. So what the Government did was to come onto a person’s property put the fence in cutting their property in half without the property owner’s permission or compensation. A few people told the Government to go pound sand. There was nothing the U.S. Government can do about it, especially when it hit the news media. It is time to tell the Government to go pound sand, wouldn’t you say?
This is just another step to unleash martial law and then Mr.? O can claim to be the king and if we don’t march to his music-remember history. Stalin-Hitler-etc. Check out all the exec orders, and on and on.
We can’t march to the music because it is all in his head. It is hard to play musical chairs when there are no chairs to start with.
It is time to wake up America!! Obama the dictator is traveling his usual routes. Just read the history of Germany and Hitler and the similarities will let you see what is coming to America. Putting every one on government assistance, register guns, and then take them from the citizens.
I agree! Learn from history or else it will repeat itself!! And it is! Watch some old WW2 movies. Walmart has a bunch cheap! Hitler promised change! Never said what change. Got people stirred up angry! Built camps! Stocked amp!
Read the proffets- like Isaiha 30, & revalation
You want a good investment? You won’t be able to buy bread with gold or valuables! How long can you survive a crisi?
Just about all the old ammo disappeared from the store shelves . The new ammo that is coming out , goes bad in less than a year, so it can’t be stockpiled . That is what I heard.
I think all This Info should be put on all national radio and television stations to Inform all americans what is happening in this country and what our guv, is doing to our freedoms
20+ years in USMC and I don’t remember seeing a 22 rifle, pistol or rim fire ammo. Pistols we had 38, 45, and 9mm. Rifles we had M-1, M-14, and M-16. Who uses 22 ammo for target practice?
We used 45’s set up for .22 rimfire in Navy bootcamp. Other than that we used what you mentioned, in regards to small arms.
Just to get your brain working ,I am pretty old now but ,I seem to remember a while back when I read that Soros was buying up all the big gun & ammo. Manufacturers he could so he could control the sales ( or lack of sales ) of these companies and have a monopoly . Restrict sales to only whom he wants to sell to and at what price.
Little kids.
THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL ALL OLD PEOPLE AND HE IS LYING TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE EVERY DAY. the BAD new is they believe. him
This government is out of control. It has a never ending appetite for power and control. However innocent the establishment of homeland security was along with other programs designed to protect our security, falling to the wrong hand will cause holocaust dwarfing that of any the world has seen. We are being manipulated by outside forces of evil to weaken our population in every way. What is sad is that our federal government has fallen victim to that manipulation. We don’t have leaders that recognize it let alone that have the spine to expose or confront it.
We have a president that ran on a progressive ideology and for five years now has made numerous dictatorial statement in his speeches without the fall out from our representatives that they deserve. We have lost our representative government while we stand by watching them build an arsenal that can be used against us at the flipping of a switch when conditions are right. My concern is that we are rapidly reaching the conditions that are right for a dictatorship to seize control if it has not already happened. We will only know when it happens since we cannot even believe the information coming out of Washington. They are weakening our economy, security, foreign relations, personal finances, legal system, state governments, congress, supreme court, moral fiber, religion, family and our constitution. They are strengthening the hand of one entity and that is the presidency and his unelected massive departments under his direct management.
Has the department of homeland security become the SS/federal police force that is is as well funded and as well trained as our military as promised by this president? Of course we the people are not constitutionally protected from this type of organization as we are from our military.
Just a thought!!!!
I’m retired Navy, and I couldn’t agree more with your statement.
Everyone needs to stoop paying taxes if they do ‘t have money to give all the ill eagles they ill stop coming here It might hurt those of us who get ss but that was funded and the money stolen and spent on other things.Just like the BIA can’t account for 3 billion dollars held in trust for the Native Americans
We need to have dates and votes on this board. Today is
19 Feb 2014. Big thumbs up sir. What you say is exactly right and what I have been screaming from the rooftops since 2008. Since there is no date noting the time you made the comment I do not know what has happened since you made it. The Department of Education has spent over $80,000 on Glock pistols and over $17,000 on Remington shotguns. The United States Postal Service has placed a large order for assorted small arms ammunition. In July of last year the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also purchased 72,000 rounds of .40 caliber Smith and Wesson following a 2012 purchase of 46,000 rounds of the same caliber jacketed hollow point ammunition by the National Weather Service. Hollow point ammunition is illegal to use on the enemy in WAR. Hollow point ammunition is much more expensive than target ammo or FMJ. The DHS has purchased over 2 BILLION rounds of ammo in the last 2 years. Do a little search and you will be amazed at what our government has been up to. It’s almost like they figure if they can’t outlaw and confiscate everyones guns, they will just make them useless because there is no ammo left.
It seems pretty obvious to me that their reason for purchasing the hollow point ammo is for target practice, I don’t think so! Since when do these agencies use hollow point ammo for target practice and training. That’s a lie and everyone should know it. They have reasons they do not want you to ask question about. They know that people will soon get wise to what is going on and will rise up against them. So, they will be ready. It’s really ashamed that our political leaders in this administration are so bent on deceiving the public that they have to go behind our backs to try to pass laws that otherwise would not get passed through the normal process. This administration is very deceptive and conniving and will do anything to get themselves re-elected, so they can continue to do what they have been doing over the past four plus years. Hillary Clinton is right there with them. As has been reported in the news these last few days, she has lied and twisted the truth so many times it is habit forming for her and it doesn’t seem to bother her at all. I’m sorry she has to go, get completely out of the lime light and the sooner the better. Lets band together and help preserve our Second amendment Rights, and do whatever it takes to do this. Shall we?
If you don”t know anything about firearms you should stay out of this discussion.
You practice WITH THE AMMO YOU CARRY !!!
Go ask any cop, or soldier, or anyone who actually owns a gun and uses it extensively.
you are right. if you don’t know anything about firearms you should stay out of this discussion. and as for asking any cop or soldier or anyone who actually owns a gun and uses it extensively. and you will find they practice with ball ammo. unlike governments the people are not made of money and hollow points are expensive. and also for a soldier illegal, I assume you are aware of that? as for the cop? they are not among the people, they do what their masters tell them to do and use. and as for owning a gun and using it extensively? show me someone who target shoots with super premium hunting bullets. after all why pay X amount for a round when you can pay up to 20X for the same round in the super premium version.
Right On, Right On!!
Hey Smoke I Quote you “If you don”t know anything about firearms you should stay out of this discussion.” Practice what you preach dude. I was a Marine, and a cop and a gun owner. I practiced with FMJ ball rounds with m fire arm, but when i was on duty I carried Hollow Point ammunition in my pistol. In the military you practice with what youre given which is the same that you carry in combat and hollow points are illegal in war. Also Hollow point ammunition is more expensive.
Mike as a cop, why would you use hollow point on U.S. citizens and not on the enemy? Do you think that we, the United States Citizenry, are less deserving than what the Geneva Convention gives combatants?
I guess you have some hard thinking to do. Because the cops have the citizens in such total disregard and disrespect; I wouldn’t be surprise if I was you when we declare war on COPS. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Something more to think about, Mike.
Obviously you don’t know what you are talking about either. You test fire your weapon with the ammunition you intend to carry to ensure it will cycle properly, but you definitely do not conduct regular target practice with the same hollow point ammunition. If you do you are wasting a lot of money. You buy ammo with a FMJ bullet that is the same weight as the hollow points you intend to carry and it will perform nearly identically at the range as the hollow points.
I have done a LOT of target shooting. I have learned that every gun is different. I have shot as many as 6 or 8 different loads out of 1 firearm to see which is the most accurate in that firearm. You can bet that a FMJ round will NOT shoot the same as a hollow point. If you plan to shoot accurately, you better “sight in” with the ammo you plan to use. Fact.
With mr.obama being a pathological liar do we really expect him to be honest and truthful,REALLY? I do not remember where I heard this from seem’s to me those bullets are hollow point and if they are those kinds of bullets are NOT for target practice! hollow points leave very large holes in the human body. Also I would suggest that everyone here start collecting and storing steel, tin, just about any kind of metal that you can get your hands on, the reason being it is relatively easy to find youtube videos showing how to make home made bullets. Then find various different hiding places to stash your ammo, that way if someone do’s “find” any of your ammo you will still have more stashed away! Who knows this could very well be the difference between life or death for yourself or a loved one.
When push comes to shove he will sick the homeland Security on the populace!
homeland security has purchased all that ammunition to help with the now depopulation of America…….wake up people. obummer has already tried to emp us………
google jim garrow……..check it out……..remember the deal about the plane in nc in oct?? it was part of it…
I would imagine that the government feels that the militaria can never be too prepared and the the ammunition is better off in the hands of trained militari personal. Prices may be low for ammunition these days and just like anything buy low and sell high. I would imagine that the militia feels the same way, but they probably are well stocked up or simply load their own rounds. I wouldn’t be to suspicious of our own government, but would focus more on foreign investments around the world, such as terrorist groups investing in uranium and other nuclear weaponry components that would put up a red flag to an international investigator. Search the world wide web and you will be very surprised to find access to underground black market trade options. Keep up the good [email protected] Never Stop Exploring!
We are the targets, if have not figured it out yet, you are in deep sh-t.
Pappa smerf.
Those that are really running this country chose Obama by design to bankrupt America. It is glaringly obvious to anyone paying attention.
I agree with Bill, the ammo is to use on us. All of us that disagree with Obama and his political followers will be the targets!!!
In Hitler day they called the national police the SS
If you can’t see that coming read this.
FOR THE SHOCK OF YOUR LIFE, READ BELOW
EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED by U.S. Presidents in the last 100 years+/-
Teddy Roosevelt – 3
All Others until FDR – 0
FDR – 11 in 16 years
Truman – 5 in 7 years
Ike – 2 in 8 years
Kennedy – 4 in 3 years
LBJ – 4 in 5 years
Nixon – 1 in 6 years
Ford – 3 in 2 years
Carter – 3 in 4 years
Reagan – 5 in 8 years
Bush – 3 in 4 years
Clinton – 15 in 8 years
George W. Bush – 62 in 8 years
*Obama – 923 in 3 1/2 years!
*923 Executive Orders in 40 Months
THIS PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL
AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small
number of Democrat Senators have questioned him. Rightfully so –
WHAT IS OBAMA REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH????
What did Congress do in 40 months?
(The House – considerable. The Senate – almost nothing, not even a budget nor allow any House Bill to be considered.)
Now look at these:
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 *allows the government to take over all modes of
transportation and control of highways and seaports
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 *allows the government to seize and control the
communication media.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 *allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 *allows the government to take over all food
resources and farms.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 *allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 *allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 *designates the registration of all persons.
Postmaster General to operate a national registration.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 *allows the government to take over all airports and
aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 *allows the Housing and Finance Authority to
relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas
to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 *allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 *assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 *specifies the responsibility of the Office of
Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international ten sions and economic or
financial crisis.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 *grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial
support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and
assist the President.
*EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 *allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. *It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.*
Feel free to verify the “executive orders” at will…..and these are just
the major ones.
Just this week, Obama has issued a new executive order that seeks to
“harmonize” U.S. economic regulations with the rest of the world. This new
executive order is yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer
to a North American Union and a one world economic system.
*Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.
*
The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly
looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest
of the world.
The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and
this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S.
economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to “harmonize” their work with the international community.
*If THIS IS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE, THEN – Google it!*
I looked up Executive Order 11002 you mentioned. It was signed by John F. Kennedy in 1962. Unless you know of another 11002, Obama didn’t sign it.
After finding an error about who signed the Executive Order 11002, I looked up the rest of the Orders listed.
JFK signed all except #11310 which was signed by LBJ in 1966 and #11921 signed by Gerald Ford in 1976.
We have been in a “state of emergency” since 9/11. They NEVER CALLED IT OFF. Listen to the announcement at the airports: Level Orange?
Sooooo, the Government can basically do whatever it wants by law.
THIS NEEDS TO BE PUBLICIZED – pOST CARDS, BILLBOARDS, TV AD, RADIO AD, TABLOID AD (LOW INFORMATION VOTERS READ THE TABLOIDS FAITHFULLY)
The END TIMES has BEGUN!
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the EPA ordered Hollow Point bullets instead of simple bullets for target practice.
Jim…You forgot to add the new National Federal ID drivers licenses…”REAL ID” All US Citizens now have to have the new REAL ID Drivers Licenses, to board a plane, enter a federal building, cash Goverment Checks, withdraw money in any bank (will come affect 2017 for all banks to comply).Board a train, bus, pleasure cruise, purchase Obamacare, medicare, medicade. Purchase Auto & Home Insurance,purchase a home, purchase a title for your car, motorcycle, boat,
This is exactly what Hitler did when he took over a country to weed out the Jews, Poles, enemys.
All of your private info will be on a strip on the rear of the license “RFID”. 1st & last name,Address, DOB, SS#, medical records. and eventually parents names, SS# DOB, place of birth.
This technology is dangerous, leaving you open to anyone to scan and read the RFID info with a RFID reader…HLS is against Encrypting the Info…violating our 4th and 10th ammendment rights.
Why do we need a Federal ID…I do not work for the Governemant. I get it…All US Citizens are the Terrorist.
Sean O
I concur with everything you wrote, it really sucks that most senators and congressmen are on board with this. 20 or 25 years ago, this president would be in jail by now, because our elected officials would do something about all this abuse.
What you say is happening at an alarming rate. Yet, if you ask for an ID to cast a vote it is RACIST or an attempt to disenfranchise the poor.
Hollow point is for killing and shoots straighter.
You always shoot targets with inferior bullets because as we all know, if you can hit a target with an inferior bullet then the good ones will hit as well. So ask yourself one thing? Why are only target trash bullets out there for sale and not the good ones with the high velocity behind them?
pLEASE DON’T FORGET EXECUTIVE ORDER 13603, GIVING OBAMA COMPLETE CONTROL TO IMPLEMENT MARSHAL LAW
The EO #13603 actually updates the Defense production Act of 1950 enacted under the Truman Administration. State governments can declare martial law under their constitutions as was done in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. Andrew jackson did the same thing to illegally drive the Cherokees off their land and force them to Oklahoma. It was Ronald Reagan who enacted the Continuity of Government program which would give the government the power to round people up and take over everything with military force during a war, diaster, etc.. Also George W. Bush took away the right to habeus corpus for suspected terrorists after 9/11. Only Congress is able to suspend habeus corpus under exteme circumstances. It is also debatable when or not Congress or the President can legally declare martial law.
Ok, we get it. In your eyes Obama can do no wrong. I’ve seen you taking up for him on other sites. Twistin in the breeze to cover sports butt.
Back Door Gun Control
EPA Shuts Down Last Lead Smelter
There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.
Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes? Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this… there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration. So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.
The asshats at the EPA (evil protection agency) had this to say:
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.
The Doe Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.
The EPA is playing Mafioso I guess — we didn’t make them shut down, they made a business decision. In other words, they couldn’t pay the extortion, so the thugs shut them down. I’m pretty sure that Americans are getting ready to make their own business decision regarding the Marxists and I don’t think it will be pleasant. But Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.
The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.
The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.
So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.
Yet, when TSHTF occurs, I guarantee you that the government will reopen this smelting plant to make the lead shot for the needed ammunition and to HELL with the Clean Air Act.
My son in law owns a tactical supply store. He is having trouble keeping .22 bullets in. They are so hard to find.
I think the hoarding of millions of rounds of ammo by any agency deserves to be investigated. Perhaps a whistle blower will tell us!
Unless the Government tells you to go whistle Dixie.
There are alot of people out in the hinterlands who are hoarding .22 LR. I know of one person who has more than 10,000 rounds.
If you want proof, go to Ebay and see for yourself. I just purchased 300 rounds for $30.00 at Gander Mountain.
I have learned that two ammo manufacturers are setting up factories to manufacture more .22 ammo.
Besides if you really want .22 ammo, you can go into any sporting goods store and ask. Gander Mountain keeps theirs in the warehouse portion to prevent hoarders from buying up the entire stock.
I think it is really both, a government way of getting around the second amendment which only protects firearms (so far), NOT AMMUNITION. We may have our firearms but if we can’t get or afford ammo what good are they. Think about it.
As for training that’s a stupid and unbelievable reason. I spent 30 years carrying firearms and qualifying every 30 to 90 days depending on what I was assigned to. It doesn’t take hundreds of millions of rounds to meet basic Federal qualification requirements since some agencies are only required to qualify once a year! Left to their own they will continue to purchase ammunition in vast amounts then what will their excuse be when they have billions of rounds.
A real sneaky way around the Second Amendment in my opinion.
I consider ANY infringement on the Second Amendment to be un-Constitutional. The obvious reason for the second Amendment is to prevent tyrannical government. And that is exactly what the Obama administration is. Of course they do not want us to have ammo. Irregardless, it is an infringement and illegal.
First read over my thought was to reduce the availablity of the ammo to bad guys so they could only use their guns by throwing them at each other and law abiding citizens..
The idea of using it all for Target shooting was just unbelievable! Do they really think the regular person is that dumb or so easily misled?
As for the reuilar law abiding gun owers …
you are writing of Americans not being dumb or easily led? ever hear of Bush’s 9/11 where he said that the twin towers came down because the burning kerosene, which is what jet fuel is, kerosene high grade. we call it K-1 and use it in our space heaters. kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt steel, especially steel embedded deeply in concrete. but those same Americans bought it hook line and sinker. none of them look at their own fuel oil furnace or space heater and notice that the kerosene it burns didn’t melt it at all. If they are dumb enough and easily led enough to believe that kind of impossible fairy tale, then why not believe this crap being put out now?
Well VC, the Government considers you and me and the rest of the population to be the bad guys. They think that we are not responsible enough to have any weapons. Since they can’t take the weapons out of our hands; the Government has done the next best thing, they took the Ammo out of the market.
As for the law abiding gun owners; just look towards your Government, they will be the only duly authorized gun owner.
This is a most unsettling occurrence that needs to be answered. Please contact your government reps and push this issue for answers. Anyone with common sense knows something is not right with this picture. We just cannot have unaccountable sections of our government doing whatever they want with our tax dollars, especially when the answers returned to us make no sense at all. Most of the public don’t even realize this is going on, so talk calmly and intelligently to people you know about this issue so others may know something is very wrong here. WHY do they need all of this ammunition. Who proposed this plan and why.
If it is true that they are purchasing hollow point ammo, then it is not for target practice, except on u.s. citizens that get out of line if a big breakdown of society occurs. There is no reason for DHS to stockpile those quantities for any other reason. Of course, one could remember Obama’s intent to build a “National Police Force” as well equipped and armed as the military. Where better to start than with already formed federal agencies. More and more federal agencies are being trained in paramilitary activities and equipped for such. Makes one wonder.