Feds using recent tragedies to lengthen their reach
To absolutely no one’s surprise, the federal government is once again trying to tread in areas where it has no business being. In this particular case, it wants to control gun markets that states are perfectly capable of handling, and it’s using recent tragedies involving guns to try to justify its involvement.
Fortunately, a number of states are making their voices heard on the subject. In 2009, Montana passed the Firearms Freedom Act, which states that the Commerce Clause allowing Congress to regulate inter-state commerce does not apply to the in-state manufacturing, selling and ownership of firearms. Other states, including Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Washington, are trying to pass similar legislation.
But – and there’s always a but when it comes to the feds – the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has said that federal law supersedes state law. The goal for states is to push a decision all the way up to the Supreme Court. The focus of the fight may be the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, which limits federal power, rather than the 2nd Amendment, which guarantees the right to bear arms.
Take a look at this Fox News article, “Push to Keep Feds out of State Gun Markets Gains Momentum.” It explains how this fight is more about the mom-and-pop companies making and selling guns in their states than it is the big gun companies, which sell nationwide and are therefore already governed by federal law.
Should the federal government have the right to control the manufacturing and sales of firearms within a particular state, or should individual states be handling this? What do you think are the potential upsides or downsides to federal control in this area? I’d love to hear from you on this important topic.
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Tired of being pushed around by the feds, some states think they’ve found a way to beat the big boys from Washington.
North Carolina used a draft of Montanas law and added criminal penalties to prevent ant federal/state/county/city/or other governmental employees or law enforcement from interfering in your right to manufacture and sell firearms within the state. There are regulation, such as marking the guns with the name of the state they are made in.
Feds should but out stay out and be more concerned with protecting America which is their 1st duty and should be their only duty. Whenever they get involved it becomes a [email protected]@K, and they only makes things worse.
ATF is not smart enough to know the difference between enforcing law and making law. ATF officials need to be fired and people who understand the difference between in state and interstate need to replace them
The trick they’re trying is to “Executive Order” some gun control, or affect the funding of federally financed state-run programs; such as, Welfare, Medicaid, and other programs that affect that population who most often do not normally own guns… Thereby pressuring a popular vote to ban firearms state by state…
There will not be an election.Obama will be the last one he will make sure of that.Its in the bible the whore of babalon will fall.She stands in new york that is the only time the united states is in the bible.The king of the north shall us a weapon that will but the king of the south in darkness so get ready thats what obama wants he is a muslum and he supports terrorist.
I’d like some of what you are taking
greg one day you will wake up and it will be to late;
you have no idea what is coming!
Careful, the great and powerful Oz is watching our every move. We live in a very surveilant society where our every keystroke is being monitored. Be at peace and be ever vigilant and prepared.
That’s true! We act like we are talking under a tree somewhere….my goose is cooked but save yourselves!
Thanks to Liberals, we have a porous border that thugs and jihadi can cross with impunity. We have crazies roaming the streets because it is almost impossible to intern them. Doctors hand out mind altering drugs like candy, and Progressive judges hand out two year sentences to dangerous gang bangers saying they are “victims.” Race batters like Al Sharpton stir up trouble whenever possible, and homegrown terrorists go back and forth to the Mid East at will. It would seem the Feds have their plate full trying to keep us safe, but instead they want to disarm us? Seems to me they should be insisting that every true American get a gun and learn how to use it…
Good summary of the debacle we are in. I believe we want the government to be significantly downsized. Any time they get involved it is a mess, just look at your summary, obamacare and now the middle east is in chaos thanks to Obama
YOU COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER
Support YAF young americans for freedom, an outstanding organization.
No wonder so many people are moveing out of the the US.
The problem is, the schools and colleges have totally brainwashed the last 2 or 3 generations of kids to believe they really want a socialist government and they devour the concept with gusto. Meanwhile, the real American and patriots are aging and dying off. It’s only a matter of time before America descends into the hell of communism with the blessing of those upcoming young people soon to be in control of our country. I know that sounds pessimistic, but seeing all that has been going on for the past 6 years with the progress made with virtually no opposition, I can’t see any other outcome.
Any one with the same concerns for youth should consider supporting YAF or young americans for freedom.An outstanding organization!
CRAIG I COMPLETELY AGREE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN LOST I FEEL MOST OF THEM FEEL THEY AR ENTITLED !!!
An armed society is a polite society.
I read all the comments here about what the feds & government are trying to put in effect. Taking our guns buy millions of rounds of ammo , Ar15 personal carries ECT.. What I don’t see is enough people talking like they want to get it stopped. Are we going to wait until their breaking down our doors before we’ve had enough. Why does FEMA need ammo and guns. Building these massive camps everywhere . Their for us people!! Is this where you want to try and survive, under the thumb of the government living like a slave begging for food and water for your family. Not me it’s time to make a stand and show them we’re not sheep being led to the slaughter.
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Thanks to the restrictive speech policies in the U.S. today, too many people are not realizing that we are living under the domination of the liberal party. Neither do they know that democracy, a people’s democracy, is not our form of government at this time. If you were to ask most citizens if we had socialism or communism in our government right now, they would probably vehemently deny it. “Those things are not American”, they would probably say.
Our democracy is evolving, and until we admit, loudly and repeatedly, that our ‘America’ is being tilted farther and farther toward socialism and communism, we will not convince some of them. Today, right now — is when we should start pushing back. With our voices, with our religions with our true values. We must stop the left from giving away our lands, our traditions, our money, and our freedoms.
Gentelmen, There was a war fought in 1861 – 1865 on this very soil that was because of most of the same issues we are discussing here today. The powers that be want you to think, and it has been pounded into our brains with every means at thier disposal that it was for another reason, but the truth is it was about States Rights, the 10tn amendment and taxes unfairly imposed on the South. Good Ole Abe dicided that the union formed or created the States, not the States forming the union thus giving all the regulating power to the latter. When the South disagreed and wanted to leave he usurped the Constitution and called for 75,000 troops to attack his own people. This same thing will happen again. I believe that the plans are in the works as we speak. Pray to the God that created us and keep your powder dry.
I perfectly agree and I’m from the North. I believe that Abraham was Jewish. I found the South to be a more congenial and charming and generous than the North. Robert E Lee had a picture of the Catholic pope on his wall and kindly letters from him. As a high school’er I found it difficult to believe how a “Christian” nation could kill each other over slavery or economics, as they taught. Now I know why!
I might be a “liberal” but I do believe that we have a “right to bear arms” to defend ourselves. I see where some nut job shot a nurse at a clinic and the doc shot him. Thank heaven doc had a gun or the wacko might have killed more people. Security (if there was any) or cops wouldn’t have been able to respond in time.
I’ll bet this kind of scenario happens more often than we hear about, where a perpetrator is stopped from doing further harm by a citizen pulling a gun — not necessarily even using it. The bad guys will get guns illegally (not to mention knives & other weapons) no matter what restrictions are enacted from on high.
Have you noticed that all the National Guard armories have been heavily fenced, with beefed-up barricades in some instances, lately? The measures being put in place by the government are predicated on the anarchy to come when the financial house of cards we live in comes crashing down.
The civility we all are used to disappears within days after the food supply breaks down and the kids start to starve.
So, what is the solution? Who will step forward today, as the founders of our nation did so long ago?
The key to this is MONEY. Sever the greed from the political process. Forbid ANY political contributions and set up a process for candidates to be able to present their views with no unfair advantage. The current cost to get elected is absurd. Monitor the income of every elected official and government employee to insure they stay honest.
I agree wholeheartedly with all that have been talked about in these comments – but – one thing that I have to say about something that’s been bothering me ever since this gun control issue began, and that is that any time we write these comments, or opinions, let’s be a little smarter in how we present ourselves! By “smarter”, I mean… I read these comments all of the time! A lot of times I’ll read them daily, but it disturbs me VERY much, when some of you guys have a really GOOD point, but it loses its power and punch when their words are misspelled! I personally feel that it gives the “other side”, a reason to easily dismiss a lot of our points just by saying, “Look! Another dumb hillbilly who can’t even spell! Hah! If they’re THAT dumb – it should be easier than we thought – to either “win them OVER” -or- “run OVER them!” The “them” in this example of course, is referring to ALL of us! That is to say, “All of us that so vehemently disagree with the Federal Government!” Let our voices be heard “LOUD and CLEAR !” POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Perhaps they cannot spell or use proper grammar. Does that mean they should just bite their tongue? Sorry that grammatical imperfection bothers you. – Now let it go……….I. Yes get over yourself……..
deffanitlly the state. unfortunately i live in california. under the thumb of dianne fenstien. so theres no compromise with her. mispelled words does not mean your an idot, or uneducated. i’m disabled with a brain virus and its very hard to remmber things,like spelling. where not here to comment on spelling. i got an email from fenstien and she had a few mis spelled words. stick to the subject . it’s not going to harm our cause. just piss others off. get it?
Ron, you are spot-on with this!
If everyone would just pause a moment to proof-read what they have written before sending it would help a LOT.
Imagine the Constitution with lousy grammar and spelling! What credence do you give somebody when he blathers needless profanity and ignorant sloppy presentation?
I assume you wish your opinion to make a difference, so why not clean it up (spell-check is right there for you!). Intelligent folks (the ones who actually might make a difference) dismiss careless sloppy offensive presentations out-of-hand.
They can spew their hate and spend their billions and rape and bastardize the laws of this nation all they like. In the end, if I see that a law is blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL, I simply will not follow it.
And I do not believe for one second that I am alone in this
your not alone. my cold dead hands!!
SonOfSam:
In an ideal world this would be the right thing to do and when arrested your point would be considered on its merit and you would be cleared with cheers.
Realistically, though, such attitude will just ruin your life. I hope you don’t suffer consequences, just the name you have chosen puts you behind the eightball right from the git-go.
son of sam I am right there with you and they better remember that we will fight back
The Federal gov’t is already an over fed, bully monster. Give them no more power. America will NOT give up her arms, period.
I noticed that someone mentioned the so called “Commerce Clause” and indicated that it gave the Feds the power over the States.
This is NOT TRUE! ! ! ! !
If you will diagram the sentence as you learned to do in your High School English Class you will see that the Federal Government is not given any more power over the States and the Indian Tribes than they are given over the Foreign Nations.
This clause defines the independent sovereignty of the States and the Indian Tribes to be equal to the independent sovereignty of the Foreign Nations. The Federal Government cannot go into England, Germany, Russia, France, or any other Foreign Nation and dictate to them.
Since all 3 entities are mentioned in the same way in the same sentence, they are to be considered equal and independent from the Federal Government.
In order to practice your Constitutional freedoms, you need to rid yourself of your assigned Social Security Number and seek State Citizenship or Freeman Sovereign status. Then you are no longer a SUBJECT OF the Federal Government. (As, if you lived in a kingdom, you would be a subject of the King and must do as you are told no matter what.) Not being a subject of the Federal Government offers you the
tremendous advantage of not being under the jurisdiction of Statute (Admiralty, International, Contract, or Commercial ) Law.
THEN you have the Constitution. THEN you have the Law intended by the founding fathers on your side. THEN you have the Common Law, not all these endless permits and licenses and (victimless crime) statutes. THEN you are not regulated. THEN you no longer need support Socialism or Communism with your tax dollars because THEN you have no income tax dollars to owe. THEN you also help to break the Federal Reserve Bank’s stranglehold on you and the Constitution.
I would be interested in knowing more about this Freeman Sovereign Status.
Thanks, Daisy
People who have died in wars.
World War 1- 60-85 Million
World War 2- 37 Million
U.S. Civil War-750 Thousand
Vietnam- 3.8 Million
Korean War- 10 Million
Are we going to stand still and let the people who died in these wars die in vain? They died fighting for FREEDOM! If that’s what we must do, then let’s do it. Be careful who you vote for come election time. Let’s take back our control. God willing.
The Liberals in this country are living proof that Darwinism is not proceeding fast enough…
The following quote is disturbing. ” Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has said that federal law supersedes state law”.
No agency of the Govt gets to declare it’s right of authority over other laws unless there has been a decision made in court.
I for one do not believe in case law. I believe every case must be argued under it’s own merits. With that in mind maybe it’s time for Americans who want justice to collectively put funds together to start taking illegal acting agencies to court and assert our Rights. God Knows our elected officials aren’t willing.
States gave the Feds their power when they created the Federal Government and restricted it via the 10th, 17th Amendments.
The 2nd Amendment is in place and basically instructs us that we are the preservers of our Liberty and Constitution, thus we are granted Constitutionally the right to keep and bare arms. The right specifically includes language that these arms are not for hunting but to defend ourselves against Govt Tyranny.
Lets be clear. Every American should do everything in their power to work through the election process and to exercise their right of “redress” for grievances.
Only as a last result should we even consider the use of weapons. If I read it correctly, it’s for our defense not assault.
God Keep America and Her Citizens Safe, May he bring them back to their Roots in Faith in Him, and Help them keep their liberty and freedoms in tact. Amen.
F–K the goverment
They should make it illegal for people like Bloomberg to go to other states, ones they don’t live in, and spend millions of dollars trying to pass gun control laws that most of the people of those states don’t want but haven’t got the kind of money to fight back and let’s face it, today it’s all about who has the most money.
Yeah, just like the Koch brothers they have already spent over 10 million just this year towards the elections in November, and all in different states!
No one and I mean NO ONE should be allowed to use their money to influence others out side of their home state whether it be for gun control laws or getting their political pawn elected!
If every state passed a law saying that you must reside in that state in order to contribute money to a state election campaign, including pretty much any initiative that appeared on the ballot, that would go a long way toward getting these people out of the election business.
or who is the best shot you have to fight fire with fire as the lord said eye for eye
We don’t need a new CONSTITUTION. The one we got has been ok up to now. We get rid of this anti- american muslum active gov’t,, to save a few who are constitutionalist and believe in it. Then we start over and bring AMERICA back. Then WE THE PEOPLE will have the polititions answer to us via WATCH DOG.
Screw this illegal administration an it’s Muslim illegal black african alien son of a whore. You jerks who voted for this jerk I pray every night for Obama and his JUNTA Tragedy and illness. I pray for their demise to hell including the Jerks who voted for hi twice. You bastards got him so I hope you are enjoying it.
Secession is in the air. F—- this illegal government. Obama and his mustache minion Eric Holder another piece of dung.
The states have to TAKE BACK their rightful supremacy! Make irrelevant the federal government and its want for unconstitutional authority. Write the state laws and then enforce them against the feds if they attempt to intervene by arresting and incarcerating them.
We are vary fortunate in Arizona that our law makers are pro gun owners so far. We are allowed to carry concealed weapons without a license or openly carry. Unfortunately there are still places and businesses that don’t allow weapons so they endanger everyone because the criminals don’t obey rules. Our governor Brewer doesn’t bow to the feds on these and other issues.
Feds should quit messing with the 2nd amendment period.
Smaller fed government.States should continue to have more control or mfg. within the state.
Just another gov’t tactic to control our individual state local gun makers. This gov’t just cannot stand to allow Americans to have our rights enjoyed.
Look… when there are dark clouds on the horizon, we know were in for a storm, This Govt is projecting a forecast that reads something like this; “20 million rounds of ammunition being bought by DHS.” “TSA acquires AR -15s and millions or rounds”. and “Federal agencies who never used guns are now being fully armed with A-R 15’s”. ….all while feverishly working to remove our second amendment and disarming the American People only leads to one conclusion. The servant is in the process of becoming the master and “we the people” their slaves. An armed person has a voice in liberty, while one without, is a silenced victim. What is the “bigger picture” of all this? It is a One World Order or complete control over the people (of the world) This can only be accomplished by removing our teeth (guns) and reducing the world population. America was first and the last Bastian of Freedom by an inspired Constitution that was intended to spread across the globe, giving ALL MEN inalienable rights in a world that has been hell bent on control by despots and evil men, Regarding population reduction; Google “Georgia Stone”.
It is past time for the states to tell the federal government to butt out. If a federal law has to be declared to supersede a state law, the federal law is in violation of the 10th Amendment and is therefore null and void according to the Founders. The state has the Constitutional right to nullify any such law.
I think Rebbecca Maxwell is right we do need a revolution but what happens when its over, do we start all over with a new constitution, revise the old one or adopt a whole other type of government? Who do we trust to run it? Too many IF’s that have to be worked out by someone way smarter than me.
All the gun laws in the world will not stop criminals from procuring and using guns against those who abide by those rules.
The hole group of liberals are Seditionalists and need to be STOPPED. I agree with you Paul.
Rebbecca I will have to AGREE with you 100% Lets make it happen people.
It is simply over reach by the feds, besides who is the BATFE to be interpreting the constitution?
All they want is to destroy it so we can live in a dictatorship. I say it is time to abolish both the BATFE and the EPA,and maybe the Department of Energy for good measure!
All gun grabbers are OUTLAWS. They hate the law, especially the US supreme law, the Constitution. If they were NOT OUTLAWS they would be proposing an outright repeal of the 2nd amendment according to constitutional process, but no, they know that won’t fly, so they are willing to incite violence against we the people, who are the lawful civil authority in our counties with our lawfully elected sheriffs.
That makes them Seditionists. The definition of sedition is “to incite violence against the lawful civil authority”. It’s a felony crime. They should be arrested and charged with sedition the instant they throw any anti 2nd amendment bill in the hopper. It is NOT possible to change, abrogate, or replace the 2nd amendment with a mere statute. There is a constitutional process to do it lawfully. Get real everyone. These people are criminals, and need to be in jail the very instant they even PROPOSE such so called “laws”, which are all null and void from their inception, and don’t give me any noise about the so called “corporate government”. It was all done with fraud, deception, threat, duress, coercion, and intimidation, which makes all their contracts UNILATERAL, making them all null and void also. NONE OF THIS WILL STAND BEFORE GOD. They are all liars, and the blind, leading the blind, and they will all fall in the pit of hell for doing this.
Yes the gun grabbers are the real terrorists and they fully intend to fight a war against the American people with all the ammunition they are buying. They are all monsters, and they are equipping their cannon fodder brown shirts to get slaughtered by we the people when they come for us and our freedom. They just can’t leave peace loving free people alone to work and live and raise their families. They won’t be satisfied until we are all either slaves or dead and they own the whole world. They have made up their minds that if they can’t own it all, they are going to burn it to the ground.
Personally I think Government should keep their nose out of things that our forefathers fought and died to put into law when they wrote the constitution of the United States of America, it was not just a set of suggested guidelines to follow it was a set of rules to follow to make and keep this new country a better place to live than the place they broke away from. Come to think of it, maybe that is what needs to be done again, a full on revolution and clean out All government and start over, with all new NON POLITICIAN leaders, Our forefathers weren’t politicians, they were businessman and husbands and plain people who cared about what this new country had to offer and what they had to offer it’s people.
If you watched any of the media reports of the Sandy Hook incident, especially the very earliest ones you may have noticed they found the AR-15 in the trunk of the car. Not in the school. Also no one mentioned the fact that the suspect (patsy) broke at least 8 laws in commision of this crime (laws are for the lawabiding). Also I have not seen any information on how the patsy killed his mother. Nor have I seen any corrabarating documentation that the firearms did in fact belong to his mother (a grade school teach). Nor has there been any information as to how the firearms were stored in the mother’s house. And, and possibly, the biggest common denominator for all of the biggest firearm traggedies of the last 20 years, is that all of the purpetrators were, or were previously on, perscribed, pysco-alterating drugs. Either as a child, teen or young adult. Note here that all of these type of drugs, perscribed by Doctors of the AMA, virtually all have the same side effects, especially on withdrawl, of deprection, angziety, anger, suiside and other sevier emotions.
Check ancestry.com the guy they blamed died the day before the fake incident, you never saw any one come out bloody or any ambulances moving because the road was blocked the whole time. THe coroner has to put the real date, and some of the actors that were at Sandy Hook also showed up at the Boston Bombing, which was allowed by the FBI that’s how they got them so quick. False Flags, our Federal govt is good at them. At least they think so, bunch of idiots.