Chaplain under fire for daring to speak about God.
If you saw a headline in a newspaper that read, “Military chaplain speaks about God, quotes Eisenhower,” what would your reaction be? Mine would be, so what? Of course a military chaplain is going to speak about God. And what’s so odd about a military chaplain quoting a famous general who went on to become president? But apparently those types of actions are now “intolerant” and “evil.”
With its ongoing persecution of Christians in the military, the Obama Administration is opening the door for all sorts of groups to come out of the woodwork and try to push their anti-faith agendas. When I read these types of stories about how some people are trying to turn us into a godless society, I’m torn between, “Ho hum, another travesty,” and “I can’t believe this is really happening.”
But it is. Kenneth Reyes, a chaplain in the U.S. military, wrote an article that included a famous quote from Dwight Eisenhower. The quote reads, “I am delighted that our veterans are sponsoring a movement to increase our awareness of God in our daily lives. In battle, they learned a great truth that there are no atheists in the foxholes.”
Apparently this quote upset the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which complained to Col. Brian Duffy that Reyes was using a “bigoted, religious supremacist phrase that defiled the dignity of service members.” The organization called for Reyes to be punished for his words of “hate.”
There was a time in the America in which I grew up when a colonel would have told an organization that came up with something this ridiculous to shove it. But not anymore. Not in this new America. I’ll stay on top of this story and let you know how it turns out.
I never thought I would be asking this question, but should a military chaplain be allowed to speak about God? If not, what should he talk about with the troops? Art? Fashion? The latest Obama Administration scandal? I’d like to hear your thoughts about this.
The number of leaps this article makes are of Olympic track & field caliber. So some self-proclaimed atheist group complained. I see no proof that the military did anything about it. Nor is there any indication that the Obama Administration did anything to support it. This is anger for anger’s sake. This is anti-factual reporting. This stuff is the problem with this country: people so enmeshed in their ideology that they believe anything that seems to affirm it. Facts be damned. If you guys love this stuff, you’d really love Stalin and Castro and all the other totalitarians who use half-truths and pure lies to hold power.
The only power these organizations have has been given to them by our modern courts. These useless court decisions should be scuttled and the judges fined and relieved of duty.
I agree with you. This guy was in a group that new the Chaplain was going to speak to them and new he would be speaking about God at least once in his speech. He could have gotten himself excuse from the group or put ear plugs in. These guys that complain about this kind of talk or any other type talk that most poeple would just ignore, has got a mind that can’t think of more important things to think about.
im not a very religious person, bbut working a house fire I assure you I got real religious right quick
That’s just the problem isn’t it Lawrence? You are lucky that you are an American citizen! We still have the great “I AM”. That’s God. Try your foolish beliefs in a country apart from us, could land you in Jail. Not the freedom you live under and protected, was/is paid for by our Military and endless deaths to keep you free, but not for you to pass judgment on anyone. Be thanks to God you have freedom of speech in America.
Trump is in and they will be out period
what is wrong with country, Please Pray for the unsaved. GOD Knows. we will be going home soon, praise Our Lord GOD
It’s just job talk. As a chaplain, isn’t that his JOB!
LET GOD TAKE CARE OF IT PRAY FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS MY LORD AND SAVIOR
No matter what anyone says it’s foolish to think that God can be marginalized or worse be a political football. God is Love and we ought to be patient with those who do not understand that. One day they will as Paulndid on the way to Damascus. Merry Christmas to all!
It’s time we stop worrying about offending people and start worrying about offending GOD
Satan is the “god” of this world at the present time and is doing his best to pull us all down to his level. As Christians we have to stand up as a group and start fighting back.
Chaplain you have to stand up with God. And if you don’t, we will die in sin. And i will cruse you out If i die; I blame Bush and his kind Obama Follows them like blind sheep to the death. And Obama join him. America wake up We the People have to take back are country or we will die for Evil! and i don’t what to do that. I love GOD and Jesus as will If i am going to die I will die for Jesus. That is what i believe in. Not no dam Muslim or Islam or Isis ?
It is time for Christians, Jews, and Muslims, to get together and fight the atheists. They aren’t just against the mention of God, they are against the mention of Jehovah and Allah. They deny the existence of any supreme being. All of us share a common enemy. Just because the only one they mention is the Christian God doesn’t mean you are off the hook. Just wait and see what happens if they succeed in silencing our right to speak religiously. When they no longer have us to belabor, they will start on you. Suddenly you will be the ones being accused of hate speech and discrimination and the whole nine yards of crap that Christians are fighting. So, put aside the differences and stand shoulder to shoulder with us to silence a common enemy
When will the people of the U.S. learn that agreements between moslems and others are not ever considered binding by moslems. If it talks like a muslim and acts like a muslim it’s a muslim President O’bama.
A Chaplin’s job is Religion, that is his job and it isn’t up to that POS in the W/H and his Muslin Flunkies to dictate how a Chaplin can or can’t do his job!! That MUSLIM POS in the W/H needs to be FUBARED for being a LYING MUSLIM TERRORIST supporting SCUMBAG!!
HEY, OSLIMA–KISS MY BIG ASSTIBULA YOU MUSLIM POS!!
Ya’ll don’t understand the problem. It is not PC or atheism or Liberals. It is the MUSLIM Advisors in the Pentagon as well as every other government agency and service in and for the U.S. A.
I’m just surprised that the Colonel who received the letter from the MRFF (whose initials I could change to a new name I can’t detail here) doesn’t simply write back telling them “At this specific moment, I am wiping my butt with your letter – that’s how important and significant I consider it.” A BIG part of the problem is that we’re treating these people as if they had some legitimate claim that deserved attention. Anytime I get involved with anyone mouthing these stupid arguments I immediately turn to ridicule and mock them. This achieves two purposes: (1) it pisses them off, which is OK with me and (2) it sends a quick message indicating how worthless, insignificant and irrelevant their opinion is, such that it doesn’t deserve serious attention. So what are they going to do… Sue me?
Who would have thought it would get this bad this fast???!!!
There will come a time thats so near where our lives n freedom will be taken away for having all your faith on Jesus Christ …. for adoring n praising him n spreading his word n love …. its happening all across the world now ppl being decapitated, shot , lost their families n homes n lives …. just for not denying Jesus Christ n believing in him …. i pray for all those who are suffering right now for those who suffer n get tortured for Jesus Christ here on earth shall also rejoice with him in heaven!!! praise Jehovah and Jesus Christ … Amen god bless you all
Why don’t we flood the mail boxes of this group of mindless sludge buckets with the words they are so afraid of…..then tell them to sue us.
Here’s a set you can Copy/paste>>>
God loves you, Christains out number Athiests, salvation, cross, Heaven, prayer, Jesus Jesus Jesus, Christ, Christmas, Veterans For Christ, more Jesus Zjesus Jesus, Christ for Athiests, Athiests Love Jesus in secret,
There Ya go…..
Here’s the link to email your feelings….be advised however that they do get TONS OF THIS ALL DAY LONG, AND EVEN HAVE A LINK TO READ the emails of both Supporters and haters, although I would not doubt that the amount of haters vs supporters is skewed towards them. So…let’s help balance the scales….don’t just sit there and tell us how stupid and pathetic this is…we already know that…TELL THEM…IN NUMBERS…GO,!!!
[email protected]
He’s a Chaplin, his job is to talk about God. If talk about god offends you then you shouldn’t be reading an article written by a Chaplin.
Just who/what is the “Military Religious Freedom Foundation”? And what, if anything, was the outcome of this situation?
Objecting to a MILITARY CHAPLAIN talking about GOD in a quote from a DISTINGUISHED GENERAL makes no sense at all, never mind that it contradicts the idea of “military religious freedom “. If being completely ridiculous is their goal, why don’t these folks just parade in public wearing diapers, high heels, bunny ears, and singing row, row, row your boat…
I feel sorry for the atheists, for their small-mindedness. I feel that to deny people that which gives them peace and joy, they must really not like themselves and have shied away from introspection for they are holding up a mirror in trying to deny to others what they want for themselves…freedom. We may not have a need for “religion” but we all have a need for spirituality and allow others their need to be connected to whatever they choose to call their “Creator” or higher energy source.
Well, here it is Day after Christmas, and I’m checking my emails. I have already responded briefly to this one but there are some new comments which prompt me further. I hope all the REAL JESUS BELIEVERS are aware that all these happenings are exactly what was prophesied in the Bible. So, why are we surprised and getting our dander up? We should rejoice to know that the Bible is TRUE. And why are we surprised that our “fundamentally changed” government under the leadership of a president who promised such, is allowing preposterous changes in affairs? Do we not know that he has surrounded himself with advisors which are anti-American with histories of communist activities, anti-Christian beliefs, and new world order progressiveness? Do we not know that they have declared the Bible and our American Constitution antiquated and of no value today? Do we not know Matthew 24:30 “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN; and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” Do we not know why they will mourn? Matthew 24:37 “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” It goes on to say how the earth was going about their own business, forgetting God, doing their own thing, which scriptures declare were very violent, Genesis 6:11-13. Do we not know Luke 18:7-8 “And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, SHALL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH?” This verifies how faithless people will become. But for the FAITHFUL, read Revelation 20:4 -….”I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God…………..Do we not know that guillotines are being purchased by America by the shiploads? For what? It does no good to go about condemning the unbeliever. He is condemned already, John 3:16-21. Pray that they will come to knowledge of truth, while we are taking a stand for truth, even though it may mean the surrendering of our life here on earth, as it meant for Jesus, while he was praying “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”
send them people to the front lines and watch them flap their c..k suckers and shit their drawers and change their minds, im a 2 tour in Iraq vet and f..k them
OOOAAH!!
Took the words out of my mouth, well said . Amen . Maranatha.
Why would an intelligent atheist want to be in a foxhole?
Are there intelligent atheists?
I’ve had many a fascinating conversation with intelligent atheists.
Psalm 14:1 “The FOOL says in his heart, ‘” There is no God….”‘
True n even more, the translators added “there is” so the verse is saying “the fool has said in his heart NO, to G-D”!
Thanks, blessings
The same reason a God fearing person would I reckon…..no?
“God fearing” doesn’t mean one is afraid of God. It means he trusts God and believes His word. The word “fear” as used in King James English, implies wonder, awe, etc.
If they do not believe in God then why are they so afraid of him. They had better get their act together before it is too late. He is coming soon##
This so called Military Religious Freedom Foundation will be the first to holler when the shit hits the fan. Yea, I said it, I for one are getting sick and tired of being “POLITICALLY CORRECT”. I “Did my time”. I am a Vietnam era Vet and I do not appreciate these people running their gator. I seriously doubt if any of them “Did their time”, and if they did then SHAME ON THEM for running down a Military Chaplain. Sounds like their daddy’s never took them “Out Behind The Woodshed”. I am 69, and I would not hesitate to see to it that any one of them would be eating their dinner thru a straw if they started spouting that shit to my face.
To my brother and sister vets, stand up and be counted. What these people seem to forget that many a man and woman gave their lives so they can spout their BS and then demand protection under “The Bill of Rights”
Guess I better get off the bandwagon.
I hear you Bear. I also am sick and tired of the “Politically correct “crap so as not to step on some non-American that’s busy sucking our country dry, toes. I am not a vet, but a daughter of one. My father served in WWII as a pilot stationed in England, flew 18 mission was shot down but saved his crew. He went on to fly over 100 missions in the Berlin Air lift. One of the greatest humanitarian efforts ever made.
That collective voice will be heard WTSHF by the idiots. They will be the first in line to think they have the right to be saved.
“The Woodshed” LOL! If I would have ever shown the disrespect for this country so many think is ok, MY FATHER would have made sure I ate my meals…standing up for abt 6 months! Oh the abusive I suffered for being taught RESPECT for others and the principals this once great nation was founded on. Bleeding hearts should just go back to the country they escaped from and don’t let that door hit them in the butt on the way out. Including our POTUS!
Obama has managed to get rid of most of the high ranking officers that were a “threat” to him. Pretty soon the only chaplains in the military will be wearing sheets(rags) on their heads. I am glad that I am not serving under this regimes rule. The military was great under Reagan and still good under the Bush’s and even Clinton. But the Obama Clown Squad has totally destroyed the military we had. He did away with DADT, now the girly boys can carry their pink purses. He has gotten rid of most of the generals that knew how to win wars. It seems that his mission is to destroy America.
Hey Military Religious Freedom Foundation, SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DOESN’T SHINE. This is from all of us that have served in the military and have been in combat.
We don’t care what you think or believe. It isn’t you butt getting shot at, it was ours. When SHTF, I guarantee you we were all praying to get out alive and un injured. Then we were praying for our comrades that were not so lucky.
So if you want to start your own church to practice your beliefs, knock yourself out. But stay the hell out of our military religious affaires, we don’t need you around anyhow.
Everyone here is forgetting the “need” of God by our Military men and women going into unfriendly and hostile territory. If a CHAPLAIN, A MAN OF GOD, speaks to our Military about God, it’s because there is a need to reassure his people that they won’t be out there alone…that God is with them at all times. The Chaplain’s “Pep talk” is a necessary thing to give our troops the encouragement they require to go into battle knowing some may not return.
HOW DARE THAT RIGHTEOUS COMMUNIST FACTION come and try to discipline a Chaplain for doing what he should. This stinks of obama’s destructive policies all over again.
America was built on a foundation of God in every aspect of our lives. That misled and misguided Communist Faction trying to remove God from everywhere we live needs to be challenged in Court and forced to disband legally. And they need to be bombarded with hate mail, Faxes, emails, billboards, etc until they are embarassed and ashamed enough to crawl back under the rock whence they came. DO NOT LET EMOTIONALLY DEPRIVED shells of a person manipulate what our Military gets to hear about our Christian God that this country was based on! Fight back the poison this faction spews! Stand up for our Country and for our Military’s RIGHT TO HEAR PRAYER AND GOD’S UNDYING LOVE FOR THEM.
That Communist Faction be DAMNED! They can go back to their own god of hate where they belong! I, for one, do NOT recognize their authority over our Military or any part of our lives. They can only control if we let them. It is our choice and our words that let them take away our control.DO NOT GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE FAITH DECISIONS FOR ANYONE –NOT THEIR BUSINESS NOR RESPONSIBILITY! Do NOT DO THIS. FIGHT BACK — FOR OUR MILITARY, FOR OUR COUNTRY! AMEN.
In other words, you actually think that the only people in combat were self-righteous, arrogant, so-called Christians like yourself?
I served from 1964 to 1985 — voluntarily, not drafted — which, you might notice, included most of the truly fun parts of the Vietnam war Games.
Now, it only takes ONE example to disprove the nonsensical claim that atheists do not serve in combat, or the equally silly claim that combat miraculously converts atheists into Christians, Jews, Christian Scientists or whatever — and I personally attended dozens of ceremonies where atheists were awarded the Silver star, Bronze Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal, and so forth.
Were you not aware that Army Ranger Pat Tillman, killed in Afghanistan, was an atheist?
You can see a few hundred others at this website, including those wearing Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, DFC’s, Air Medals & other awards requiring combat service:
http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/
I have no problem with other soldiers expressing their own religious beliefs and if they want to pray, I stand quietly, bow my head in respect, and am politely tolerant of their beliefs.
How odd that this simple courtesy seems to be lacking among most so-called tolerant Christians among our fellow troops.
I’m sure there are atheists serving our country. The beauty of it is that men and women of nearly all faiths or no faith fought for the freedom we enjoy. That freedom allows for nearly all faiths or no faith people to live without being persecuted. Atheists, I should think, enjoy that right. But, because a person, chaplain or otherwise speaks about God in their hearing is no cause for them to get upset. I’m certain that Mr. Eisenhour knew there were atheists serving under him and besides, I’m not certain that he was a Christian himself. His statement was only to indicate that in combat conditions all soldiers deal with a certain amount of fear.
I sent an email to that address and those nasty, vile scumbags have continued to bombard me with emails! They can not handle ANY criticism, and one of their “pastors” joan wrongly assumed I am catholic and proceeded to tell me how crazy and awful evangelicald are and that they are out to crush me!
These people are wackjobs!how they think they have ANY credibility is mind boggling!
Right you are!!
Arlene here is part of the fist amendment read what itis really about.
The Establishment Clause is the first of several pronouncements in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, stating,
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,…
The Establishment Clause was written by Congressman Fisher Ames in 1789, who derived it from discussions in the First Congress of various drafts that would become the amendments comprising the Bill of Rights. This clause is immediately followed by the Free Exercise Clause, which states:
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
These two clauses make up what are called the “Religion Clauses” of the First Amendment.[1]
The Establishment Clause is a limitation placed upon the United States Congress preventing it from passing legislation respecting an establishment of religion. The second prohibition inherent from this specified prohibition is no preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another; an aim desired by the Founding Fathers necessary to accommodate all of the many denominations in the United States. The Establishment Clause prohibits Congress from preferring or elevating one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government’s entry into religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.
I should add that even though I am an atheist I have no problem whatsoever with crosses in military cemeteries or in public monuments to our fallen soldiers. It’s traditional, and certainly isn’t trying to “convert” anyone Same with traditional religious phrasing on US currency, or on courthouse walls (within reason), or at public functions like graduations or sports events. Civilized, decent atheists and agnostics will simply bow their heads in respect and honor the feelings of others. Loudmouthed, perpetually cranky atheists will scream and shout like a spoiled five-year-old, and we should all ignore them.
Non-psychotic atheists respect your beliefs and your freedom to have them. We do not ask that you SHARE our beliefs, but we do believe we are entitled to the same right as believers (of all stripes), and are entitled to have that right respected, much as we (at least us normal ones) respect yours.
It doesn’t seem like too much to ask of a belief system that prides itself on its fairness and tolerance.
Thanks for you comment. I pray that more aethist have you attitude. We were always taught to respect others religious believes … not have to believe their way, but be tolerant . We were taught to love each other….regardless.
I think Arlene , should leave for her new home in the middle east , at the most convient time . Oh and take Obamma with her.
An “awareness of god” can mean something different to each individual. Those who meditate to an alpha state regularly are probably more aware of reality than any chaplain.
GOD
I find it interesting and confusing that so many people today continue to take the words of the Bible literally. They accept as their TRUTH incorrect translations of Hebrew, Greek and Latin words into English – a language not in existence until more than one thousand years later. No wonder the world of FAITH has descended into an abyss of pain and suffering (hell) for almost all Christians.
I find it interesting that people that deny the Bible have no understanding whatsoever how much care is taken then a language version of the bible is produced to make sure it is accurate.
I think it is better stated L. Michael Black, that you are dazed and confused. “None are so blind, that they refuse to see; none are so deaf, that refuse to hear. Blessed is the man of faith, for he will see the face of GOD. Blessed is the man that listens, for he will hear the voice of GOD.
Your statement, only proves your reluctance to learn pass your own nose or to trust in something that is beyond your reach. A poor man, indeed.
Your post is beautiful,Cliff. Thank you for having the knowledge of our Bible to express your thoughts so well as to this agregious attack on God and the Christians. Though not perfect by any means,because we are not perfect,our God and His word has stood the test of time and is what made this country an exceptional one….and it is the denial of Him,and Jesus Christ,that has put this world and her peoples where we are today. God Bless you. Keep the faith.
One can find salvation in most Bible translations if that is what they seek. Unfortunately, some study the Bible, whatever translation it might be, to prove themselves to be right and everyone else wrong. If the KJV is confusing, use the NKJV or some other easier to read version. But, read it to find Jesus and to know God which is salvation.
I am an atheist. I served my 20+ in the Air Force. There were a few times when I was persecuted for my religious opinions, but for the most part, people respected my wishes and I respected theirs. Out of respect for the religions of others, I have always participated in religious services where participation is warranted, such as a funeral, or a dedication at an event, and so on. the only time I run into problems is when someone is trying to proselytize or ‘save me’ and do not stop when I tell him or her I am not interested. I love my country, and consider myself to be a patriot. I stand proudly at retreat and salute the flag. You do not have to be a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or a Wiccan or whatever to love and support your country. Our country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion. Indeed it was from the Church of England that many immigrants fled to the colonies. Thomas Paine, one of our greatest patriots, was an agnostic. He wrote many articles about freedom of religion, and freedom from religion. Our country was founded on the principle of inalienable rights, and the freedom to worship (or not to worship) as one chooses. Whether you believe those rights were bestowed by God, or not, that is your choice. The bottom line is we should respect each others beliefs, whether they are in a supreme being, or nothing at all.
Very well put. While I do understand the aggravation by Christians. Most of them know nothing about atheism or agnosticism, and take their impression solely from the loud, obnoxious zealots who embarrass the vast majority of atheists by publicly braying their hatred through lawsuits & press releases, demanding silly things that, in the great scheme of things, are monumentally unimportant, like In God We Trust on US currency.
I personally have a problem with Wiccan services on base, since it’s a phony “religion” designed specificaly to push a liberal, New Age belief system.
I also don’t belief chaplains should hold military rank, or that the US government should be paying them. I guarantee that all the denominations would provide them free, and should. In combat zones things might have to work differently, though on the modern battlefield chaplains take nowhere near the risk or deprivations that they did in, say, WW2 or Vietnam.
SmokeHill,With all due respect to your thoughts….my son is an Army Chaplain,he holds the rank of Capt.,and he has been to Afghanistan to the battle fronts on two occasions. He can kneel by and pray and comfort the wounded and dying but he isn’t allowed to carry a weapon for his own defense. He has an “assist.” that provides his protection that carries a weapon but when he is injured my son has no protection. While you may believe that Chaplains have an easier job than an enlisted soldier I believe you should try being an unarmed person of any SORT on an active battle front.
So you lied about your Oath the part that says “so help me God.” You talk about respect but remember respect is based on Love/Truth/God. They are not separate concepts but One! Atheism is a delusion, violent (against life), hopeless, dead end belief.
A true atheist would be a great for the godless communist Stalin worshipers. The State/Stalin is god.
I had other things to do this AM, but this comments session was so interesting, I couldn’t stop reading. Poor Arlene. Pray for her. She has been deceived, as many others, by the godless “new world orderism” that has infiltrated our society, especially in Washington. Also, probably is affected by the rantings of militants professing to be Christian. Jesus did not promote militant religion. He promoted “God forgive them for they know not what they do” ( his prayer to God the Father for those who were nailing him to the cross and vilifying him.) She did quote some scripture, “do unto others as you would have them do unto We do not actually know the people who are chosen for us to vote for. They promise what they think the people want and when they actually get in office, they do what THEY want. They speak with “forked tongue”. This is no longer a people’s government and no one seems to be able to do anything about it. They just talk.
The first lines of our Declaration of Independence begin, “When in the course of human events…” Never have these words been more true than this moment in time. We now have an executive branch that rules by executive order, and has violated the terms of our Constitution more times that I can count; a US Senate that has been subverted by liberal leanings (I cannot bring myself to use the word ‘ideals’ as that would indicate honesty); a judicial branch that refuses to interpret the Constitution as intended by our founders; cabinet agencies such as the NSA, IRS and even the office of the attorney general which violate all of the tenets of our democratic republic and trounce on the freedoms which which God has endowed us.
I have no problem with atheists- let them believe or not believe as they see fit. However, the majority of Americans believe in this country and the God who gave us our rights! Countless thousands answered the call to arms to preserve and defend not only our country, but the rest of the free world. It is my God-given and Constitutionally-mandated right to be able to turn to God for answers and strength when nobody else listens or cares. Our chaplains are there to respond to believers and non-believers alike, and their work should be unfettered by this so-called political correctness, a misnomer for hatred and prejudice. God help us all!
AMEN!
Greetings and Blessing!
Please reread the following Documents!
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents/1776-1785/the-final-text-of-the-declaration-of-independence-july-4-1776.php
http://www.barefootsworld.net/constit0.html
Please reread the originals of these two documents in more detail for yourselves.
It occurred to me to reread the Declaration of Independence as a grand jury member and then with this renewed sense of awareness and a different approach helped me to see that We the People are standing even now and even more so as it is our duty to change this present government and bring it back in line with We The People!
One document has not been changed and another has!
We The People do not need to justify our actions period! We created the government they need to be held accountable!
What I see is so much FEAR and people holding back from taking action and being responsible for their Sovereignty….the First Law of a Sovereign is…do no harm! Sovereign’s control Trust and Trust control governments and corporations. The majority of our people are living ass backwards!
They have violated our TRUST!
Goto: http://redbeckman.com/videos.html
Goto: http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/
Wake up! Stop living as a Fraud Take back your Sovereignty!!!!!!!!!
It is really hard for me see what has happened to this once great country in the last 68 years that I have been alive. This country, (as a whole) not individuals has moved so far away from God that I am surprised that God has not returned for his own,(saved sinners). Just how bad do things have to get in this world before he returns. LORD COME QUICKLY
How can athesist get away with forcing their rights against Christians that don’t force their rights on them ?
The same way the Christians have forced their rights on the rest of the country. Two wrongs don’t make it right. How can both be right when bot are so wrong?
True Christians do not FORCE anybody to do any thing. The word “Christian” means Christ-like and Jesus didn’t/doesn’t force anyone.
This goes to show that our own government has lost touch with the majority and too afraid of offending the minority. (i.e., political correctness) A poll was once taken, cannot remember how long ago it was, but 86% of americans believe in GOD and 14% did not. It is time our government grew a set of balls and told that 14% to take a long walk off of a short pier. Take that whining minority organization and put them in a fox hole and we will see if the words “OH GOD” doesn’t come out of their mouths.
You know Charles S. you brought up an important point, “political correctness.” It may not prudent to say in mix company; but, I remember a time when the majority ruled and the minority had something to work towards in rectifying. If one group of people say “Yes” whereas, the other group said “No”, then the majority rules; whereby, the minority must follow the majority.
However, when it comes to religious matters, one man can not tell or prevent another man from practicing his beliefs, no matter how much it goes against public opinion or the opinion of the first man.
We live an age of wimps and whiners, all OFFENDED by something. Get over yourselves and get back to work, for cryin’ out loud.
God is surely OFFENDED by a man denying the existence of his own Creator! And God doesn’t believe in atheists; He calls them FOOLS (Psalm 14:1), and we have given them their own annual celebration day in America. April 1.
When any American Citizen cannot say the word God – we no longer live in a free Country and we have lost all our Freedom. Like myself millions of Americans served our Country in order for us to remain a Free Country with certain rights. If a person does not believe in God that is your right to state so, but when you tell me I cannot or even say the word God; you can then go straight to HELL on your way out of my Country!
I appreciate and applaude the day you have alloted to the atheists. APRIL FOOLS DAY for bigots and atheists who have to complain about Everything that goes against their thinking. All I can say is Whaaa, stop your crying!
Freedom of Speech works Both Ways. Since when do liberals and atheists have the Power to tell you who can say What? Its time to tell them to Please Shut Up and Sit Down!
I served 27 years in the Air Force. I appreciated that while each Chaplain was different as they served the troops or taught about faith or supported individuals through hard times, they could and did speak openly about God. I often had different practices then they did, but I valued their faith in God and their love and service to their fellow man. I pray that our Chaplains will have the freedom to continue to serve the men and women of the armed forces. I consider it an essential service and support to young people who are serving their country and often need extra support to serve with honor. In my 27 years, I served in joint service mobile units for 14 years. The stress of being in a nation at war with their neighbor often results in fear. For me that fear became peace as I read the scriptures and pondered on God’s love for all His son’s and daughter’s. I hope and pray that our nation can pull together as “One Nation Under God”. I share the concerns that we may be at a tipping point if we have forgotten our founding fathers intent and our very foundation. May our love for our brothers and sisters, our neighbors and friends, be manifest in direct loving service to one another rather than contests of opinion.
After reading the above posts, I find that only one really understands the First Amendments Freedom of Religion. The idea of “separation of Church and State” was an idea born out of the Supreme Court’s decision to ban prayer in school; not the Bill of Rights. This phrase has become a banner for atheists as “evidence” that our Founders did not intend for our Country to be the example of humanity to the rest of the world. I served in the military and thank God for the Chaplains as being a protestant, I was brought through a very tough time by a Catholic priest whom to this day I credit for helping me keep my beliefs.
As a note to the opponents of religion within the military, please do not give sermons about how God or other religious beliefs out of the military unless you have served. I will stand behind any Chaplain who has been accused of actually doing his job. As for the Colonel who received the complaint – “with all due respect sir, file the complaint away in the appropriate file with a “I am not going to mess with God” reply to the organization; maybe they will get the point that the government will keep a separate point of view from their state of ignorance.
It makes me SICK! We need to stand up to these Anti-Godless Haters by spreading the word of God as much as possible and in the Military especially. I served 26 years and I am still serving as a DOD employee. I will never put down the sword of truth (God’s word, the Bible) Keep fighting the good fight my brothers and sisters.
There is so much to comment on here! First – a military chaplain’s job description is by it’s very nature about sharing God’s supernatural empowerment with those who are battling natural enemies and defending (at the cost of their lives sometimes) the freedoms this country’s previous veterans have secured for us. I find it ironic that the original objection to the chaplain’s use of General Eisenhower’s very famous “There are no atheists in foxholes” is rejected as religious intolerance, when later in following arguments one of the commentors quotes Jesus Himself when she said, “I do agree that we should be free to worship as we wish (as long as that worship does not harm others). But I have a right to have a government that is not influenced by one religious rule or doctrine that is unique to that religion, unless the doctrine is “do unto others as you would wish others do unto you” – or love thy neighbor as thyself. If everyone practiced these Christian principles, there would be a vast difference in our nation.” I heartily agree that if everyone practiced these Christian principles there WOULD be a vast difference in our nation! I would want to have others speak to me with respect, even if they disagree with me. I would want someone to be kind and encouraging when I was in trouble – even if that trouble was the result of my own choices. Jesus was – even with people who were trying to do Him harm. He was respectful and gentle with tax collectors, prostitutes, criminals, crass and impulsive people who meant well but did and said unwise things, and so on. Jesus’ harshest words were reserved for those who thought they were better than others and had no room in their hearts for compassion, loving correction of wrong choices, and sharing life-saving information. Name-calling and derogatory defamation does NO ONE any good, it just causes more division. Eisenhower’s quote was an acknowledgement that in the most stressful times of your life, you come to understand there is Something bigger than you, bigger than your situation, bigger than your personal effort, that is a resource of strength, empowerment and fortitude that carries you on the inside when all hell is breaking out around you. to make more of it than that – and to object to a military chaplain using it as a frame of reference seems to indicate a heightened sense of offense that was not intended. On the flip side, telling people to shove it does nothing to de-sensitize the offended one’s sensibilities. Insisting again that offense was intended does nothing to assure those who see their constitutionally protected rights to free expression of their religious freedoms being taken piece by piece, peace of mind. There are certain concepts that are mutually exclusive and cannot “coexist” – but even Arlene shows by her comment that living by the words of Jesus isn’t one of them. Let’s start from there <3
Here is a little history lesson.
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads as follows:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The phrase “separation of church and state” originated from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury, CT Baptist Association in 1802. “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”
To repeat: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Nowhere is it stated or even implied that a military chaplain, or anyone else, should not be allowed to speak about God. If you don’t want to hear what he has to say, you don’t have to listen, but no one has the right to prohibit him from exercising his religion. Can it be stated any more clearly?
Unfortunately, too many people are being uneducated by our school system, so they don’t learn basic history among other things, and are bent on turning the principles upon which this nation was founded upside down.
Yell it louder! Unbelievers will try to shout you down to silence you. they will test your faith to see if you are a just a religious believer or whether you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and are full of the Holy Spirit. Jesus was hated and those who belong to Him will be hated. Do not rely on your own strength but allow the power of the Holy Spirit to flow through you and walk in that strength.
“God damn it” and “Jesus Christ” would be approved by God and Jesus to be used to express my feelings on this issue. In fact God and Jesus would probably be using those same words to explain their frustrations.
I find it difficult to believe The Almighty God would approve of such profane use of His Holy Name. We do not have any right to speak such words. As for “Jesus Christ” being used as an exasperated phrase demeans Him. If you are a true Christian, you must ask for forgiveness from God Almighty, and pray for our leaders to be able to see the errors of their ways. Our President has an animosity toward Christianity, with leanings toward Islam. We need to prayer for him in particular for his conversion back to God and away from Allah.
AMEN!
Jesus would NEVER approve of cursing the Father.
I’m curious how any person could swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America if that person does not believe in God. I think the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were inspired by God just like the Bible was inspired by God.
If I gave you may word, that would be my bond. It is just as good. The question becomes, do you believe in me enough to follow through with what I had promised?
What do these people think a military chaplin is ? They are Catholic priests, Protestant pastors, Jewish rabbis, and Moslem immans. There job is to bring Godly worship and counseling to the troops. They should read the story of the three chaplins in WWII who gave up their lifejackets so others could live. It’s a story you don’t hear these days.
As I wrote governor cuomo, I am appalled by historical ignorance of our government officials who desire to ignore the One who brought this country into being: Patrick Henry stated” It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Of course with revisionist history, as one man said-if you lose your History, you lose your Country. Thank you national education association & text book revises; you are among the useful idiots joe stalin needed to overthrow the nation!
Arlene. I find your reference to the founding fathers as “deists” to be very strange. If you look at the writings of George Washington, Ben Franklyn and many of our founding fathers they reference their belief in God and his influence in our countries beginning quite frequently.
The concept of separation of church and state originated in America in the Thomas Jefferson letter of 1802, 11 years after the adoption of the Bill of Rights in 1791.
The phrase of Jefferson (see above) was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase “separation of church and state” itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The Supreme Court did not consider the question of how this applied to the states until 1947; when they did, in Everson v. Board of Education, the court incorporated the establishment clause, determining that it applied to the states and that a law enabling reimbursement for busing to all schools (including parochial schools) was constitutional. (see Wikipedia)
So you see, America got alone just fine from 1791 to 1947 without having the Separation of Church and State doctrine shoved down our throats by the supreme Court. Remember, that doctrine does not appear in the Constitution nor in the Bill of Rights. It was legislated from the supreme Court and not Congress.
You really need to study history more before you try to stand on your 1st Amendment soapbox and preach to us. Most of us here are students of history and of the Constitution. Your arguments fail to impress us with their historical inaccuracies and contrived notions.
Chaplin’s in the military have preached their faith for hundreds of years and have respected the faith of all of our military peoples. That’s why there are Chaplains of every faith in our military. I find it strange that since the birth of the US Marines in 1775 until the Obama administration entered power the Christian Chaplains were free to practice their faith and speak out openly. Since the Obama administration took office Christians in the military have been persecuted more and more.
From 1775 to 2009 (234 years) Christian Chaplains and Chaplains of all faiths served everyone without bias and were never chastised for their faith.
Why now???????
Beautifully said. This should be posted on the CNN website! I got into this same discussion with a couple of “guys” that tried to tell me I did not know my history. I left the discussion with, “It is hard to argue with someone who refuses to see the facts for their nose getting in the way.” Wish I’d had you’re quote then! That was about Sarah Palin and the Tea Party religious fanatics. I came very close to what you said, but without dates. Don’t let them away with the bull!
I’ve been a registered Democrat all my life, BUT have not voted for one since Jimmy Carter. And I’m ashamed of that vote because he GAVE AWAY the Panama Canal.
Wish I knew how to save Gregg’s statement….
Yon can highlight it and then copy and paste into a Word/text document.
Oh, and by the way, THANK GOD for the tea party!!!! TRUE PATRIOTS ALL AND ONES THAT REALLY DO GET IT!
Arlene, your nonsense about the right being cruel and mean and, wah!, want inequality. Good grief. God’s intention of setting up this government that man has screwed up for 6000 years, was meant to be completely as Nate describes. Why would an all powerful God create us to sit like lumps on a log and collect welfare when we need to dig deep within ourselves to KNOW that He intended for us to find our own way in the world. Its called FREE WILL. The right understand God’s intentions for us, the left refuse it because of the word GOD.
It is utterly entirely impossible to have a conversation with the left on anything not leftist. May God show mercy on their souls. But He tells us He will not if we do not repent and turn from our wicked ways. Thank you for your promises Lord Jesus!
ARELENE, WHAT PART OF THIS AMENDMENT ARE YOU IGNORING??!! Congress CANNOT MAKE A LAW that favors the establishment of one particular religion; THAT PROHIBITS THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION; or that restricts freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people to gather and engage in peaceful demonstrations and to petition the government for redress of their grievances. – See more at: http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/ten-things-to-think-about-the-bill-of-rights.html?DCMP=GOO-CR_CivilRights-BillOfRights#sthash.EBilW7ug.dpuf
i think that people are just coming up with all kinds of stupid reasons to claim their feelings are being hurt. To them i say grow up and quit muddling the justice system up.
Arlene is definitely rewriting history! Why does our own courts have Moses and the Ten Commandments in them? Why is there a picture of the settlers with a Geneva bible in it in the rotunda of the U.S. Capitol? Why does the liberty bell have the scripture “where the spirit of The Lord is there is freedom”? Why was the “mayflower compact” which by the way is the first official U.S. Document which states those settlers they agree to come together in one civil body politick, and to advance the gospel of Jesus Christ!? Why did we used to have church services in the Capitol? And there are so many more instances of the influence of founders honoring the Judeo Christian God! I’ll tell you why because what you are sharing sir, is historical revisionism? It’s a myth, that too many people who don’t do their homework spew! I need to pray for guys like you Arlene! Sad very sad!!
God allowed Israel and Judah to split and become two kingdoms because the Israelites began to worship other gods. Eventually Judah did the same and God withdrew from Judah also. America has become the Israel and Judah that is written about in 1 & 2 Kings. If our leadership would read the bible and learn from history, they would understand why we have so many problems in this country and NO LAW will change it, except the law of God Almighty!
I’m a Viet Nam vet, US Army 1968-69, a Christian (Catholic), and if you will allow me a little language latitude considering the subject and circumstances, my comment to Chaplain Reyes is this (with all due respect ): “Sir, give ’em HELL for me and all the other vets who have served our country and our flag in place of these spineless cowards who don’t deserve the very freedoms they use against the rest of us…..Sir!”
I am an Atheist and I’m perfectly fine with him preaching the word or whatever he wants, you know freedom of speech and all. I figure if you want to listen you listen, if you don’t, then don’t, you know freedom of choice and all. I had a Navy Chaplain help me through a bad time while in the Navy. I just moved a Navy Chaplain and guess what we got along great. Just be good people and believe what you want to believe. Thanks for your time.
David, First of all thank you for your service. I also served during the Vietnam era, stateside thank God.
Secondly, as I understand atheism, they believe there is no God. I do not mean any disrespect, but would ask the question of how do you know? As you cannot be everywhere at the same time, how do you prove He does not exist?
Thirdly, we have been fed lies by the public school system to believe the theory of evolution. I contend, using the approved scientific method, neither God nor evolution can be proven because before something is a theory it has to be tested. As neither can be tested it is merely an hypotheses. I choose to believe in God, simply by looking at all that has been created.
Finally, do you know where you will go after death? Because you will go somewhere for eternity. Only through Jesus The Christ will you be able to enter the Kingdom of God. Before you decide, read The Good Book: The Bible. Get a copy in the vernacular. Only then can you make an informed decision. If after reading it, you still believe in evolution, I will prayer for you. Heavenly Father, open David’s eyes to your Holy Truth, in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, Amen
I would like to remind everyone that the very first amendment of the constitution states there is to be a separation of church and state. State means the government. We founded our nation upon this principle because, among many other reasons (such as opposition of corporate power and freeloading in our country that resulted in the tea party) – the governmental structures of the world at the time were under monarchies, and the church was enmeshed with the government.
We did not want that. We ensured that everyone had the right to worship in the manner they wishes, or to not worship if that is what they wanted. But when it came to government, it was to be run in a CIVIL manner, not a religious manner. God does not belong in our government past the individual beliefs of those in it. To require this in any way is a violation of our constitution and is un American.
Our military should also offer solace to the troops and soldiers, in the manner that they desire, but not proselytize or officially take any stance that meshes religion with the duties of military action.
The Islamic Jihadists are conservative Islamists. We think their laws and ways are abhorrent. Well, as an American, I think our Christian jihadists and conservatives also want to bring the abhorrent religious law of their own brand (but almost as bad) to America. We are not a theocracy. We do not have a religious law as fundamental to our nation. “under God” was added to the pledge of the Allegiance during the time of the Red Scare. Children were raising their hands Hitler style to the pledge until someone thought that might look too much like Nazism and so they stopped that.
Anyway, I do not want Christian rule; I don’t want ‘biblical law’ and I don’t want another Inquisition in this country. We don’t need crusaders. We need Patriots. Those who defend the laws that protect all people so they are free to pursue happiness and prosperity any way they wish as long as it does not harm others.
My non belief does not harm you. It would only harm you if I were to insist that you stop believing, and that you be punished if you do believe. But I certainly would not support a law that would do that.
Arlene, as a well-decorated veteran, and a avid historian, I have to reply that I am not only offended by your naïve and fraudulent comments, but am appalled at your willingness to spout-off your biased theories as being factual, when they are anything but… It was the Christian God who prompted the explorers to come across the ocean to this great land, it was the Christian God who prompted most the colonists to create modern civilization here, it was the Christian God who most of the settlers worshipped, and it was the Christian God who prompted the founders of this great land to do so in the manner in which it was. Rather than try to rewrite history, you should try studying it a bit deeper. Read the writings of all those who found & founded this great land, and you will see that the Christian God is and always has been the foundation of the creation of this great country. That is why I fought to protect it, and I will continue to fight anyone who tries to use lies and distortion to try to take the recognition away from the Christian God who caused it to come into existence in the first place..! Just because you don’t like our nation’s history doesn’t mean you have the right to change it..! I do not believe in jihad of any kind, just as most true Christ-followers do not, but the garbage you are spewing is offensive to not only our Christian founders, but to historical purists alike. Any true Patriot would have to at least recognize the influence and guidance of the Christian God in the founding of this great country, and the creation of our laws, whether they choose to believe in Him or not… To do otherwise would be a form of intellectual jihad and un-American in itself…
The “Christian God”? And I thought there was only one God.
Nate – you are spot on!
The only one true God is the Bible or Christian one. But the Bible says that there are many gods. 1 Corinthians 8:5
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
I think it is a tragedy of world-historical proportions that the idea of limited government and the idea of fiscal responsibility is being held hostage by a Christian-right social agenda that pretends to be pro-freedom but that is actually just as statist and authoritarian as anything on the Left.
your religious position is a personal matter.
WOW…Perhaps Arlene, you should go back to read your history. The doctrine of “Separation of Church and State” was intended to allow individuals to choose their faith and practice it freely without fear that a church backed by the state would dictate their relationship (or lack thereof) with God. The founders remembered mostly European history where the king’s faith generally dictated the people’s faith. Those founders were largely Christian, though a few were not, and they express in their works and their writings that we now refer to as Judeo-Christian values were absolutely the foundation and underpinning of the Great Experiment of American government and capitalism. Without the temperence of those values and healthy “fear of God” (respect for God and his word), the natural end of both becomes self centered, hedonistic and excessive. Anyone who has read and researched the people who created the original framework of this country can not honestly say that the faith and practices of the Bible freely pacticed by individuals is NOT the core of the country, and any saying otherwise only prove how ill informed many of the masses have become. Those documents are filled with references to God, God’s word and those values. The Bible is clear that every man chooses to believe or not. It is that faith that builds a “shelter” of Constitution, the Bill of Rights and a codice of law that are supposed to give us to freedom…it is because most lack an understanding of where these freedoms originate that we have “tolerated” ourselves into a place where Government dictates and meddles in our daily lives like never before, AND why that same government cries hands-off in areas where it should not dictate… You need not be “Christian” to understand that the principals of that faith have value. Whether you agree with me or not, it is a fact that unless we return to those fundamentals values, it is a matter of time before the country we inheit will no longer resemble the country we now enjoy. I doubt the founders would recognize our country today as what they envisioned then. Need I remind you that this comment began with the notion that a Chaplain cannot discuss God…that like telling a Doctor he can not practice medicine…what a messed up notion. Merry Christmas and God Bless You.
Brian,
Of all the comments I have read in the last two hrs., yours is the only one who , (in my estimation) truly puts the intention of the first amendment into true perspective, in that it is there not to keep religion out of government but to keep government out of religion! Arlene B. truly needs to go back to the history books to see that the first amendment makes no mention of a “Separation of Church and State”, but an assurance that the State, (make that Federal Government) would be restricted from creating a “Federal Religion”, thereby keeping us a free nation.
I feel nothing but pity for Arlene in her ignorant misinformed existence, but she is free to believe as she wishes,,,,, but don’t try to proselytize to me.
Lloyd
Sorry Arlene, you are incorrect about the 1st amendment. The amendment does not separate religion and government. It prohibit government from impinging on our right to practice whatever religion we choose, so if we want to worship God, get out of our face. I accept your right to NOT believe in God. If, at the end, you are right, it will not hurt me. If in the end I am right, you might wish you were not God’s enemy.
When military dressed as muslems join battle with real soldiers you can bet that it will be far too difficult to waste time trying to determine which enemy to shoot first.
Arlene – you have the 1st amendment right to spout off and illuminate your ignorance. Congratulations! Whether you like it or not and iZ’m assuming you don’t like it, this country was founded on and is a Christian nation whether Barry Obummer likes it or not. I get tired of people not understanding the separation of church and state. As simple as I can make it for the low informed, separation of church and state was to keep the government out of the church NOT the church out of the government. In other words, ObummerCare (the government) can not force religious entities (the church) to provide abortion pills as one example. Our laws are based on the 10 commandments (influenced by the church). In God we trust not man. Catching on yet? You have the right not to believe but our nation has a biblical background and like it or not, God is still in control. He allows evil to exist and if you wish to follow its lead, you are free to do so.
There is no words “separation of church and state” in the first amendment. The chaplain is well within the guidelines of the first amendment. He is exercising his free speech and his freedom of religion, and congress is not making any law forbidding him to do so, so the military or deceived atheists cannot either.
God fearing people should band together and tell these groups to SHOVE IT. Our country was founded on freedom of religious beliefs. You have a bunch of whacked out morons trying to tear down the very fabric this country was built on. We should stop giving into these groups or one day we are going to wake up and find it is against the law to worship in public or in private.
God fearing people need to band together and tell these groups to SHOVE IT. Then get them out of our faces. This country was founded around a religious belives.
No, it was not. The original writers of the constitution were deists. Look it up. I don’t come in your face and ‘shove it’ to you about not believing. I do agree that we should be free to worship as we wish (as long as that worship does not harm others). But I have a right to have a government that is not influenced by one religious rule or doctrine that is unique to that religion, unless the doctrine is “do unto others as you would wish others do unto you” – or love thy neighbor as thyself. If everyone practiced these Christian principles, there would be a vast difference in our nation. But we cannot legislate laws to that effect, we can only legislate laws that result in those principles. For example, if we do unto others, etc. we certainly would not allow corporations to pollute the drinking water of whole towns while running the profits to the few who live far away from that pollution.
We would not allow people to be hungry or sick, because that is what we would not want to happen to us.
the people who run around professing all this outrage about God are the very ones who support those who are cruel, disdainful of the poor, and are greedy and not helping others. Take the very richest people in this country (400 individuals). They use all their money to fight against workers, against higher wages, against public funded health care, and why? Because frankly, they really don’t believe in equality. They don’t believe you are equal to them. They don’t believe the people should have a right to rule themselves, or any of the things that I think most of us feel is our right as Americans. So they influence our government to defund food stamps while giving more tax dollars to corporate ag – which as you must know by know or a horrible place for the poor animals, is growing GMO foods that poison us, and has far too much control over our food supply.
Just a thought….
I agree with you about the GMO foods being bad, but we are free to grow and produce our own food, if you stop buying the junk food, they will stop making it…
We in America believe that all people are “created” equal, with certain unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness, but we do not have a “right” to equal pay, food, housing, or any other amenity. You have to work for what you want in that regard. To create the expectation of equality in those areas is insanity, the world doesn’t work that way, never has, never will… That concept is unsustainable, and has never worked even once in all of human history… You do have the right to rule yourself in this country, but making bigger and more powerful government agencies threatens that right..!
We also don’t have a “right” to a government.., that is something that is created, through hard work and dedication, …and sometimes by the blood & tears of those of us willing to fight to create and protect it.
You said you have a right to have a government that is not influenced by religious doctrine, but if you are living in America, you already are benefitting from a government that was influenced, in it’s creation, by the doctrine of the Christian religion… So my question to you is “Why do you deserve to benefit from our government when you are not even willing to respect it’s origins..?”
Jesus said love thy neighbor as thyself. He didn’t say just love the neighbors that worship the same way you do.
Even if you think atheists are sinners, remember that Jesus hated the sin but loved the sinner.
Until you can do that, you have no right to call yourself a Christian.
Nate, do you feel like you are talking to a rock when you talk to liberals? Liberals ARE the mental disorder of our nation.
Huh..a government without any religious influence. Let’s see how that would affect our lives. If you skip over the first 4 and begin with, “honor your father and mother” I think you would have a better family life and be a happier person in general. Now let’s get rid of the next biblical influence…”You shall not murder.” Oh yeah, the world already believes this is ok…”You shall not commit adultery.” Let’s also get ride of “You shall not steal” and “You shall not give false testimony”. If I’m not mistaking these biblical condiments are the bases for our legal system, although our politicians don’t think they apply to them.
Arlene, the first 4 commandments deal with respecting God. It ok it you don’t believe. I believe and bet my life, my kids life, my wife’s life (I think you get the point) that you are wrong and I’m right. I hope for your sake you will learn the truth before it’s to late for you because the result will not be good for you.
Where did you get your facts from? The majority of the writers of the constitution were christians.
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
Granted “SOME” some (3-4) probably were, “SOME” (again 3-5) were influenced by deism. That is definitely not all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deist#Deism_in_the_United_States
Deists are Christians who do not think God isactive in the lives of people today, in contrast to most Evangelical Christian of today. However, many of the leaders still prayed to God for divine intervention in their lives, so I really question that the Deism of many was as great as many are now trying to make it.
Furthermore, this nation was founded on Christian morals and principles as they were known then. Two items should help prove this. First, it was accepted that a person had to be a Christian to be qualified to hold office. It was debated and thought that a Jew might be qualified, but doubted that a Moslem was probably not (because their moral principles were different in key points) and that atheists were definitely not, because they had no absolute basis for their moral beliefs. Many of the colonies had this codified in their laws at the time the constitution was ratified.
Second, when the Constitutional Convention was deadlocked, Ben Franklin (one of the most extreme Deists of that time) suggested that they goaround to the churches of the Philadelphia and ask the pastors to preach FROM THE BIBLE on the principles that might apply to their controversies–this was actually done.
Finally, the First Amendment was written so that there would not be an “established” church the way many countries in Europe had at that time (in particular, England). Further, a number of the colonies had established churches, and that had to be undone after the First Amendment was ratified.
Arlene, you also have the right to move to the middle east.
Your bleeding heart liberalism is alarming! You greedy ingrate! Why do you care about the “rich”? It’s because you are jealous of their good fortune. No, we don’t believe in equality where you can TAKE it from me a hard working person to give it to some lazy bastard who sits around looking for Santa Claus every day. What poor person ever gave anyone a job? The rich do that and no one says you have to work for any of them but that the living God that they are there for millions of people! For you to think they want polluted waters is just plain stupidity! Oh, and “just a thought”, no one says you have to eat the food they provide. You have every right to grow your own or to go out in the woods and pick berries just like bears do. Those on food stamps should shut up and thank the rich for working for them.
Arlene, can we bow our head for a minute?
Obama Is the shepherd I did not want.
He leadeth me beside the still factories.
He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.
He guideth me in the path of unemployment,
For his party’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
I shall fear no hunger, for his bailouts are with me.
He has anointed my income with taxes,
My expenses runneth over.
Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days
Of my life, And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.
I’m glad I am American,
I am glad that I am free!
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But I wish I was a dog,
And Obama was a tree!
Where does one get this sticker?
PRAY FOR YOUR PRESIDENT !
Psalm 109:8
My wife and I were in slow-moving traffic the other day and
We were stopped behind a car with an unusual Obama
Bumper sticker on its bumper.
It read: “Pray for Obama Psalm 109:8”
When we got home my wife got out the Bible and opened it
Up to the scripture. She started laughing and laughing. Then she
Read it to me. I couldn’t believe what it said. I had a good
Laugh, too.
Psalm 109:8 ~
“Let his days be few and brief;
And let others step forward to replace him.”
At last — I can honestly voice a biblical prayer for our
President! Let us all bow our heads and pray.
Brothers and Sisters… Can I get an
AMEN!
If you think you’re too small to make a difference, you haven’t been in bed
with a mosquito.
Great post. I love that verse in Psalms 109:8.
Blow it out your Baracks Bag Arlene. A Vet
Arlene, were the religious actions of Benjamin Franklin who was known to be the most non-religious member of the founders in line with your “wall of separation” views. He asked that the Congress pause for prayer to seek Gods aid. Does this effectively line up with your views? Here are his very words – “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?” Afterwards he made a motion that the assembly at the ConstitutionL Convention be opened every day with prayer. Does this violate your deceived doctrine of “separation of church and state?” For the whole speech of Franklin on July 28, 1787 see the following link. http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/21/Benjamin_Franklins_Request_for_Prayers_at_the_Constitutional__1.html