Constitutional rights only apply to criminals.
We all know by now that we live in a politically correct society in which criminals are coddled and law-abiding citizens have to fight for the rights that are guaranteed to them by the U.S. Constitution. But it still bothers me when I see news stories that remind me of how topsy turvy everything has become.
Here’s the latest example. Jesse Daniels of Clyde, New York, was arrested recently and is now facing a possible trial and jail time. Why? Because he vandalized a home? No, it’s because he detained a group of boys who were vandalizing a home until the police could arrive. He did not hurt the boys in any way. He merely locked them in a closet for a few minutes so that they could not escape while police were on the way.
These young vandals entered a home that was in the process of being renovated, splattering paint on walls and cabinets, smashing counters and walls with hammers, spray painting filthy words and derogatory comments toward women on the walls, and breaking windows. They caused about $50,000 in damages.
The boys were arrested on felony burglary and criminal mischief charges. But Daniels was arrested as well, charged with four counts of endangering the welfare of children. How did the parents of the boys react? Instead of being humiliated by the actions of their children and by their own lack of parental skills, they complained to the police that Daniels should be charged with additional crimes because he scared their children.
And we wonder why our society is so messed up!
I never vandalized a house as a child, but when I was reprimanded by a teacher for doing something wrong, my parents didn’t try to justify my actions or sue the school district. They told me that my behavior was unacceptable and that in addition to any punishment the school had in mind, I’d be grounded as well. I didn’t like it, but I learned a lesson and didn’t do it again. Today, when rebellious kids are supported by their parents for their actions, they learn that there are no consequences for their actions. And if you grow up thinking that way, you’re going to have serious problems for the rest of your life.
Have you ever seen people get in trouble for doing the right thing? Let me know what happened and how it turned out. Do you remember a time when right was right and wrong was wrong? What do you think happened that caused things to take such a bad turn in our country? I’d love to hear from you about this.
Our problems started in 1963 when they took prayer out of schools and the teaching of morals. Since then things have only exacerbated. I pray for my kids and their kids. We have left them a really messed up world to live in.
Call a good constitutional lawyer that knows property rights and second amendment, it’s ridiculous how the police assessed this situation .
They started reading the Koran where Satan says he will make right seem wrong and wrong seem right.
Isn’t it obvious what’s wrong with society??? Criminals have the rights and law abiding citizens do not even have the rights to defend themselves nor detain criminals? And we are supposed to rely on our justice system and NOT help of law enforcement agents.
Of course this is New York, a state and city that has gone MAD! I would never go there.
I am awaiting trial now on a disorderly conduct charge because I confronted a woman about speeding 55 in a 35 mph residential area.
My husband saw someone run into a car in a parking lot and then try to leave the parking lot without taking care of the damage or notifying the people who owned the car. My husband blocked their car from leaving the lot and when the policy (he called) arrived, they almost arrested him for unlawful detainment. The owner of the car was grateful, the stupid driver was livid, the police were ridiculous. What ever happened to “citizen’s arrest”?
I believe that the biblical passage that David G. meant to reference was actually 2 Timothy chapter 3 and verses 1-6.
We let the democrats take control of our country, plain and simple. They have NO sense of decency or respect for others , they just wanted power over all, and they got it. Getting it back will be a real challenge !
This is NOT true and is against local, State and Federal Law. Not even a Drill Instructor in the Marines are allowed to force someone to dishonor or degrade themselves. They would own the government. If the kids were in his house he has the right to detain FORCE-ABLY if necessary UP TO AND INCLUDING DEADLY FORCE, to protect and defend himself or another from harm or loss.
I have read and re-read most of the comments. There is a solid example that a Man is a descendant of Adam- the one from the Bible! The talking snake told the man and woman they would ” become as Gods- discerning good and evil”. He did not say ‘discerning ‘between’ good and evil. Gods determine what is good and what is to be evil. Then, as times change and society changes, the definition of each changes – good becomes evil and evil becomes good – just as the Bible says will happen. When we become children of God, we do not have to determine which is which – God provides for us in all areas of our life, including all of those mentioned in the article and commented on. What the “world” judges is of no concern to the Believer- they just know what God wants and he cares for them and all they have. But, Man/Adam still think they are Gods with the knowledge to live and prosper – that is why we are where we are – Man deciding and discerning – wrongly…
All you have to do is read 2 Timothy 2:1-6 and you will see that what it says is true today.
The higher ups don”t want us to correct our children. They can come back and state that we don”t have control of our children. So we will do this for you. Just more power for all of them. And less an less discipline in our homes.
Satan is hard at work in our world. And one of his sidekicks, obama is very busy helping him destroy our country and our way of life. I do think he, obama is one of the anti Christs. Pray for our country and fight to get it back from the wackos and weirdos and the evil liberals. Well, I guess they are one and the same.
In 11978 my husband caught 2 teenage boys trying to breakin a window on the other end of our house. He held them by the wall outside at the point of a shotgun until the police came
Course it was a different time, a small town where he had spent his teen years as the best friend of the previous sheriff’s son and had remained in touch with the local law because he worked nights at the Gulf station.
How many bombs does it take for corrupt New York bureaucrats to get the Godly message? The entire state should move to Dubai so that we CAN make America great again!
What’s wrong with Dubai? Why punish that country because our PRESIDENT loves criminals?
These people need to learn how to put a commercial lien on all the people that are injuring them. The police and all the supervisors and bosses up to the governor of the state plus the parents that are bringing up the charges. Commercial liens are common law and can only be overturned in a common law court.
Two years ago I disarmed a thug of his 9MM when he threatened to shoot up a nursing home. At one point he charged at me, whereupon I drew my 357 revolver on him. He stopped his charge, turn and ran away. The investigating officer told me I did the right thing. Had I attempted to hold this miscreant, I could have been charged myself for false imprisonment, etc.
I am sure that New Yorkers have done good things, but they are not known for it. Some states like New York, Vermont, and California that are polarized between “new schools” and “old schools” of criminal behavior. Sometimes, polarization is a sign of life.
How do I spell trouble??
ACLU…
Hmmm… our Liberal nutjobs are not only creating monsters out of children and well meaning parents, they have also begun the construction of the counter-monster. The Libs are allowing entire US towns to fall under Sharia Law. Let’s see – steal a loaf of bread and praise Allah as your hand is cut off… And we’re too harsh in the USA for disciplining our kids??? Really???
As people fall away from FAITH in Jesus Christ, leaving churches, bibles out of schools, lack of public prayer, etc., the Holy Spirit is reduced in the world. That in turn allows more of Satan’s Demons to roam in the spiritual vacuum created, in which they are more able influence more unbelievers, which in turn presents wrong is right and right is wrong. There will be a resurgence of righteousness in the world, for a short time, and then it will become worse than it is now. I believe we are in the beginning stages of this resurgence, since many people are finally waking up to this phenomenal evil occurring. PRAISE GOD FOR HIS MERCY AND GRACE.
Lonnie thank you for your bold comments you are so right there is a vacuum in our society and the only one that can fill it is the holy spirit of God.This nation has forgotten how good it is when we are receptive to a good and great God.
Yeah! That “good & great god” MURDERED thousands of “First Born” in Egypt just because he was pissed off! Looks like Black Lives DON’T Matter to him! Worse, still, that “good and great god” is the One and Only one that created the Devil and has loosed him upon us. Really ‘loves’ his children, doesn’t he?
Hugh, God has murdered everyone who has ever lived, and will murder everyone who ever will live. That is simply the life sentence of being human. Think about the title of Jim Morrison’s book: “No One Gets Out Of Here Alive.” The redemption is that death here in the physical world leads us to God’s spiritual world. Think of the phrase: “When one door is closed, many more are opened.”
Really? What about “The Church” torturing and murdering people because they didn’t believe like they did? Faith is a PRIVATE thing and should STAY private. Enforced Religion is an abomination and rightfully should be OUTLAWED! The main reason people came to this country was because of enforced religion.
KEEP IT OUT OF PUBLIC LIFE!
Hugh, I agree with you that “organized religion” (i.e. “The Church”) is a problem. Written in The Bible are words ascribed to Jesus: “Go forth and pray without ceasing.” That means that Jesus (a jew) wants us to be praying at all times, not just in some building on Sundays. The real joke on the people is that the Sabbath (Day of the Lord) is Saturday. Ask any Jewish person. A catholic pope decided to change the “day of worship” back in the 15th century. Please don’t ask me to provide facts; there isn’t enough space here. People, do your own research. I have spent 50 years studying this stuff. If you can’t believe me, that’s the problem with the U.S. Our youth have no respect for their elders nor history anymore. I pray for the truth to come to you all, sitting in my office Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:15 PM Pacific time.
I realize a ‘resurgence’ would be nice- but I have not seen the evidence. The book does state that in the end times man will wax worse and worse. A major problem is this: Christians do not have the Truth, regardless of what they think – one cannot return to God when one has never been to God. The verse applies: when they refuse the truth, they will be led into a lie. That is the scenario we are currently in. The Christian is no different than the visible evil doer – neither knows the truth- so both remain in Sin.
Hey Ron, you and I would make great fellowship Buds. With regard to truth; the Word of GOD says ‘my people perish for a lack of knowledge’. The Word[the bible] is that knowledge. Additionally, He says,’ In[with] that knowledge is[comes] understanding’, and with[in] understanding is the truth of the word ‘ ! And the truth shall set you free. This accomplished by rightly dividing the Word of GOD….. verse upon verse, line upon line, precept upon precept. So, my dear brother in the Lord; this one thing I can say with all impunity about the issue be spoken here, is that “lawlessness ” is in our land but the true believer will and is not silent.
Wait a minute, I was under the belief that if a minor or as stated by the parents in this case a child does damage the parents can & should be held accountable & pay for the damages. Lets see how much they eant to coddle these monsters then.
We were raised the same. The parents are responsible for their children and repayment should be done as well as community service (like road trash pick up, very embarrassing to teens) but what do we know. Values we grew up w/and passed on to ours are ignored, even by the parents our age and don’t care how their kids act. In to days age you expected more? I do but don’t see it any more.
The only time the parents are held accountable is when the children miss too much school and the city misses out on that FREE federal money. Then the parents can wind up before a judge.
I was raised like many of you. If I got in trouble at school, I was in trouble at home. Many times I hated my Dad because I was spanked. It only took a day or two before the hate was gone and I loved him even more. It is unbelievable the way our children act today. Very little respect, lazy, no goals or objectives. They want everything handed to them. Once in awhile I will meet a youngster who meets the bill and it is like a breath of fresh air. There still a few out there, don’t give up on them. Maybe our society will swing the other way. And yes, my Grandson called the police when his mother tried to disapline him. The kid is in and out of trouble all the time.
This is not political correctness it is social suicide! If children do not face consequences for their inappropriate and in this case criminal actions there will be complete anarchy by this unruly class of to be new adults. Have we forgotten the concept of citizen’s arrest? Having concerned citizens take immediate action for obvious violations of the law and criminal conduct is at the heart of American values and care for our brother in mankind. Let’s not be absure by charging the good Samaritan!
I blame the cops. If they had a set of balls they would not of arrested this guy and gave the parents some shit regarding their precious little monsters.
Blaming the cops is about as stupid as the original post about “endangering a child”. I won’t call YOU stupid, but confine myself to your statement and trust that your other thoughts are not similarly challenged. The cops only enforce the laws- they don’t make them, and they can often be severely disciplined for managing the craziness out there CORRECTLY. Cops are often not allowed to do the right thing, but rather the thing they are told to do. The impulse that most cops have to resist to do the right thing, and not the enforcement they are forced to employ, must be crushing.
And to think we are handing the reins over to these lowlife idiots to be the future of this country! I, for one, am glad I most likely live to see the worst of the results of the actions of these degenerate reprobates!
Oops, I meant I most likely WON’T live long enough to see the worst……!
fall of mankind
AS IT SHOULD!
Human-kind is NOT getting better. The ‘So-called’ “Wild, Wild West” didn’t have “Pedophiles”; it didn’t have “Serial Killers & Rapists” [NO! Billy the Kid, Jesse James, Cole Younger, etc. were NOT Serial Killers; they didn’t kill just for ‘fun’ as they do today. They didn’t kill women or children.
And “God is NOT Dead”! No god ever existed; Man created god(s) in his [man’s] image simply because he [man] couldn’t handle the reality of his own death.
Human kind will never get better, they are not supposed to ! That is the great lie the church has been fed for 2,000 years!! What are we to do? God has told all, it is not your works, but by Faith you are saved. It is not our ‘faith’ that saves us, but is the Faith of God- Faith is the “name “of the process by which God provides for his children. That Faith saves us from the world- it is by this Faith God changes us into the image Jesus had – Christ. What the world does or thinks has no bearing on the Children of God- who are being saved from all you are reading. As long as we do not allow God to be our provision, we will be subject to the trials and conflicts of the World. But asking God to be your provision and allowing him to provide on a daily basis secures your salvation and your separation from the world. This is exactly what the Bible says in it’s own disjointed way. This is also Truth!
Dale,
If you check, THIS is actually taught in Schools today. MY kids were told you need to “assert” themselves to show you have a right to THEIR “opinion” (that DID NOT work with my wife and myself) They were also told, IF you are disciplined, call this “800” number and have your parents arrested.
That is what you get with “liberals” BRAINWASHING and DUMBING DOWN children today, so they can become good little OBEDIENT COMMUNISTS.
That’s about the size of it!
This is what happens when the government (Cartel) takes over our children and our public schools. They actually have movie clips showing children to call police if they feel they are being over-disciplined. ……
And this isn’t the first NY incident I’ve read like this. I read another post where a young man was home invaded in his apartment and he used a butter knife to try to scare the intruders out and when he called the police for help he became the criminal for trying to defend himself.
I’m not surprised this being in NY. Just look at the idiot mayors that come out of that place.
Look at the idiot governor cuomo
My father also had a very strict disciplinary code. I can,t say that I always ageed with him, but we always knew what was expected of us. Although he took discipline to an extreme at times, we all grew up to be respectful, law-abiding citizens. I look around myself and see people of my own age that don,t have respect for the laws/rules of society. They can,t teach what they don,t know.
Although he,s been gone for over 15 years now, I still think of him often, and wish I could kiss his feet for having raised us so well.
Back in the day my Father would kick my ass, then ground me. The I would face the punishment at school as well.
This is a repeating issue with today’s parents. I witnessed three kids destroying a house under construction. I had a camera at the time without film, so I walked down the street acting like I took pictures. I did not say anything to the kids, or even leave the street. However you should have seen the parents flock to my door demanding to know what I was going to do with the pictures. Not one asked what their children were doing or apologized for their acts. These parents were oblivious to the entire learning experience for helping their own kids.
there was one person who i deeply agreed with about when our nation started down the wrong pass which was back in the early 1900 with president Woodrow Wilson and president Theodore Roosevelt who both help destroy our constitution and our bill of rights which made our government get bigger and those corporations lawyers or should I call them corporation politician with all of their learning knew that by taking away parent rights to raise or discipline their own children would make their children grow up to become criminals and under this system it would guarantee that politician and law enforcement with guaranteed jobs where our nation has become a police state every where in america they knew it would work because their guinea pigs were the black people here in america where they practice this form of criminalizing the black people of the united states and it work by taking away their human and civil rights where in the court system the black people would look like they were represented by a lawyer but the lawyer is working for the court or the state that is against the blak person being charge by the state and because the defendant does not know the language being used in the court room does not know that the system in really against them because of their race which really means killing two birls with one stone that they get to take away black ppl rights and by locking them up in jails or prisons they get to build their prison industrial complex thus killing two birds with one stone but they found out the criminals justice department was getting so much taxes payer money to house prisoner that they decide to make criminals out of all poor people by making new laws that would criminalize every one even parent who spank their own flesh and bone children but like Nazi Germany we no longer own our own children they are here for the used of the state for war that the government will make with other nation or to keep their government agency working so that they can violate the american people human and civil rights as Mr Ben Franklin stated if we can keep this Republic which we did not because they change it from the law of the land into the law of the sea
We need to disaplin children when needed. That is how you raise a respectable young person. The bleeding Libs in this country need to mind there own business.
John, If the Liberals minded their own business, they wouldn’t be Liberals anymore.
The kids are very lucky if it would have been my house I would have shot them, not knowing who they are as a home owner after dark I would have been in my right to to keep my home safe. As for the home owner he should never been locked up or even had to go to court. As for the parents they should lose there kids for not teaching the right from wrong
Sorry Mike but in this country you no longer have the right to use force to defend property only your person{for now anyway}.
My son had been getting in trouble for disturbing the class at school multiple times. I had put him on punishment several times for it and also visited the school to speak with the teachers, One day we got a call to come pick him up because he’d gotten suspended for fighting, This time we whipped he and yes he move in a way that got him a couple of whipping mark (I love my son and was not trying to kill him). So when he returned to school, we got a call about a week and a half later with threat to have child protective services to come take my son and any other children in our home away because of abuse and send us to court. I politely asked the lady if he had done anything else wrong? She said no, but they notice the whip marks on him. I said if you come and take my children and hand them over to people who don’t love them, may hurt them and cause mental damage to them, then to let us alone and raise them to respect their teacher’s time to teach and also society as a whole by adding good to the society and not negative distractions/ distrctions. She went on the read her protocol and at the end. She said if I had to whip him they don’t want to see any scars. So thankfully I didn’t hear anything else. But I was only trying to help my son stay out of trouble and to respect his time and the school and everyone else. My parents disciplined us and I turned out pretty good. I understand the school has to be on alert for the children’s health but man that lady sounded as if she wanted to take us through the ringer. I hope the parents of these boys wake up and help these boys by allowing them to be responsible for what they did, the parents might be the ones who will have to pay for the damages. Maybe that will wake them up.
the bible says in the last days man will ihink bad is good and good is bad.Thats where we are spare the rod and spoil the child.My dad use to let me have it with a board with holes in it when i was bad. Or a switch or belt had four brothers one sister.We wrote on the paddel in case of fire throw in.We all had respect for are parents and love them.Are country is in trouble people in charge of are country are bible haters they dont care for are vetrans they weather take care of people that hate us like most of middle east that is running from there own country and when they get here they get what ever they want .The hell with are people look at the ones ihat come back from war.all that money they give to iran and the rest should go to are vets and are people have to get off god bess
My Step-dad was an ignorant, backward human from N. Ga. He was raised in poverty and once he became a Baptist preacher, making money was evil! I was a servant of Satan because I wanted to go to college, and did go. You can kiss your father’s feet if you want, but unless your son or daughter is a rabid animal they should not be beaten to any degree!!! My S-dad beat me for every infraction until I was 16 years old. The reason he beat me was because he did not know how to talk to me and explain how life and society worked. He actually told me that!! So, if you are a moron, cannot sit down with you son or daughter and discuss their actions, YOU need to go for counseling. My G-day talked with me, showed me his love and had the most influence over my entire life. I went on to graduate from college, became a commissioned officer in the Army and raised two children. My children were never beaten. One day, when my daughter was about 2-3 years old, I smacked her on the leg. In shock she said, “Daddy you don’t have to beat me. I will do anything you ask!” I never smacked her or my son again. My daughter has a degree in Criminal Justice, working on her masters degree in Public Relations; My son has a masters in Math, working on his PhD. In training your DOG, do you beat him??? Think, we are not animals- we have the power to think and reason. Break the cycle many of you have just told- stop beating your children- talk to them- start today!!
In 1962 GOD was kicked out of schools. How’s that working out?
God never should have been in schools!
I was sent to the principals office ONCE. It hurt my dignity (a**) so much I never had to go there again. My father used a leather belt he sharpened his straight razor with and my mother used a peach tree switch (small limb) to deal out punishment. I grew up with two parking tickets in 86 years of my life. I learned early on not to get into anything you could not get yourself out of without hurting others.
Boy does your story sound familiar except that we had a weeping willow in the front yard that my parents made liberal use of.
I didn’t often do the same stupid thing twice. and my father’s favorite phrase was “if your going to be stupid, you’d better be tough.”
Raising children fell to the wayside when parents in the seventies (1970) gave up disciplining their children because “love” was more important than discipline in a marijuana hazed world. Each subsequent generation did less and less teaching and disciplining. We are now witnessing the results of 3 generations of bad or ignorant parenting. Personal freedom cannot exit without personal disciplined behavior where each member of society knows what is correct and acceptable behavior with each other.
You’re wrong, Erika. It wasn’t “Love”; it was “Friendship”. Parents, today, want to be their child’s “Friend” rather than a “Parent”! I hear it all the time. But, stop and think . . . does a TRUE “Friend” let that friend get into trouble? Doesn’t a TRUE “Friend” ‘slap a friend down’ before letting them kill themselves with dope or get shop by cops for robbing a bank? We, as a specie, have become so arrogant and self-absorbed that we can’t even SEE the Truth anymore. I give us maybe 50 more years!!!
I feel it started with the no child left behind campaign.it actually gave the government more control . Now parents are scared to take control for fear of gaining the attention of the government.adverage middle class american can not stand against the government and so they silently accept whats happening for fear of losing all freedom and control and being entirely worthless to their kids. To much big government tearing the family unit apart.
A “news” article from 2013 dredged up to cause turmoil. The media is just another instrument obama and his cohorts use to try to cause trouble so they can institute martial law and grab our guns.
NO KIDDING and DITTO!
MEDIA – aren’t there enough recent articles to use, you must dredge up OLD ones? And it turns out there was NO prosecution, to boot.
But you know what? Unfortunately, the article could have been written today and been just as true, only now, two years later, it’s possible that Mr. Daniels might even be prosecuted. We’ve gone so far down the wrong road.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/jesse-daniels_n_3472619.html
I read all the comments and agree so much. When I was a kid my Mom would have used a willow switch on me. I only said no to her once and I was sorry. I grew up with mom being home and am so thankful for it. I learned how to be good and do the right thing. I am sorry to say our government has really screwed up with the lenient laws on kids and parents scared to try and discipline them. Kids know all they have to do is tell a cop a parent slapped them and the parent is punished. The schools are now teaching this new way of education and it is all upside down and bad and I am afraid allot of kids are going to fail at it. I have a 7 year old great grandson who is a genus and is having trouble with it . Anyway before I keep going I am praying things turn around soon before all is lost and there is no turn around. GOD BLESS everyone.
About a month after my wife & I got divorced, she called me on the phone and told me the boys [2] were talking back to her and not doing what she told them to do. I told her when that happened, just slap them, hard, in the face. She said, “Oh, I can’t abide slapping a child in the face”. I told her if she wasn’t going to take my advice, don’t bother me again! About a month after that conversation, she called back to tell me that, out of desperation, she finally took my advice and after only a couple of ‘slaps’, the boys were now “Little Angels”. They never talked back and they did what she asked [ASKED] them to do with only ONE request. She was absolutely amazed at the change a small ‘punishment’ made. I told her it wasn’t so much “Punishment” as it was just getting their “Attention” :-)
I, for one, am certainly glad we resolved that little problem! So, from now on, just hit your child hard in the face- if that doesn’t work, hit them very hard in the face. If that doesn’t work, hold him down and beat his face until it is a bloody mass- then call the cops. AND, since that works, when they are 14-18 years old, they will either go to prison for doing the same when they don’t get their way, or they will use the same punishment on their children. You may consider yourselves glowing examples of Christianity or model Fathers, but if you are beating your children, by the time they leave home to go out into society, they will easily be identified by any number of FBI profiles. Happy for that!!? I match several of the same profiles myself- a serial killer, rapist, murderer and many others. But I chose to be different- my G-Father and G-MOther loved me until they died- they never even threatened to beat me- but gave advise, which I was proud to obey. God help you…
Your government is at fault wipe your child and you
go to prison !
What happen you ask? people have lost their Morals,Or they didn’t have any to start with!
Look, first of all, I love women. All shapes, all sizes. And I know full well that I am going to get shot in the foot for what I am about to say, but well, someone has to say it. I do not know if someone already said what I am about to say, in fact, I’d be surprised if I am alone in this, but here goes anyway…
The root cause for the downfall for our country began with, ‘EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN’. Look back at the country when the majority of the women stayed home. Yes, the women stayed home and tended house. Now I am not saying this is how it should be. You asked us what do we think was the cause and I am giving you my opinion. BUT, if you go back to a time when women were, well, property more often than not, wrong, but our system at that time, worked better than it does today and the answer is because women have flooded the work place leaving few jobs for men. Am I wrong? When women stayed home, the jobless rate was much lower than it is today. And so after World War II, many of the women who worked, wanted it to stay that way and well, women’s lib was born from that and now the end result is we are screwed.
I almost wish that comet would hit us in September because sadly, this world was made for only 500,000,000 (500 million) people and NOT 7 or 8 BILLION!!!!!!
The comet hits and wipes the slate clean FOR ALL. It’s as if GOD has a hand in this, telling us, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
I love women. We need women, but if they stayed home and tended house, things would be better. Jobs, traffic, interest rates, everything.
In the mean time, I feel it in my bones that we have reached a tipping point and either something wonderful is going to happen or something very, very bad is going to happen to us all.
So, again, in the meantime, go to uTube and you will see the videos about the 2.5 mile wide comet that will hit the Earth on September 23, 2015, YOM KIPPUR and also during the time of a BLOOD MOON.
Sad, sad, sad. So very sad.
Rich Rich Rich. I am a woman and i will be considered a traitor amongst most of them but i agree with you. This country has set about the emasculation of the American Man for many years now. Its all part of tearing down the family. If they can tear apart the family structure that holds the very fabric of this country together then they got us. Well they’ve managed to do that. Now traditional marriage is a joke and queers have made a mockery of it. The governments got us where they want us now. Under their thumbs. You are correct God is not pleased. All those women who want to be men had better get ready to face THE FATHER Hes coming. Get right with Him Rich. This place is a crap hole and its only gonna get worse
As a woman, I would honestly love to stay at home full time. I am tired of my home being trashed and unclean, having to pay the bills, cook, clean, make appointments, AND working full time. I am constantly stressed, lash out, and HATE my job. But, I can’t. Because as a society today, it is practically impossible for only one income families to survive. I have been the bread winner for my entire married life, and that adds to the stress of it all. I agree that women are not property, and my husband respects me enough that if I expressed the interest to quit my job and stay home he would support me. But, financially we couldn’t afford it. This I blame on society as well – inflation outpaces wages exponentially. Plus, we have to support all those who are too lazy or “disabled” to work. I stopped at one child, because I knew I couldn’t afford more than that comfortably. Wish others could realize that as well. Living off the grid sounds better every day. My dislike for people in general only increases, and I do not see any end in sight. I have turned more to God over the past few months, and I do agree that I sense a large judgement is looming. A great shaking is coming. Opportunities are presenting themselves every day to me, and I take them as signs from Him, so I jump at them and trust that He knows what he is doing, no questions. It is only a matter of time.
Don’t blame “Women’s Lib”. Women have the right to be treated equally, -IF- [key word] they exhibit equal responsibilities; same as Blacks; same as anyone/anybody! The problem is NOT with “Women’s Lib”, it’s with WOMEN themselves! And Blacks. Our government has ‘Brainwashed’ us all into thinking “Everyone is Equal”. HOGWASH! Truth is NO ONE is “Equal” to ANYONE! And, if we were smart, we would take advantage of ALL “Inequalities”! Some are better than others at different things, but the biggest difference is that people are NOT equal in their acceptance of “Responsibilities”!!! Two people should NOT have equal rights if they don’t accept equal responsibilities. But, unfortunately, that requires Honest Thought, and Humans are simply NOT GOOD at that! They, stupidly, interject emotion, opinion, prejudice [usually ‘Blind’ Prejudice, like that piece of Crap, Geo, Armstrong Custer, who once said, “The only good Indian is a Dead Indian”].
Where is “Responsibility” even mentioned in the U S Constitution? “We hold . . . ALL men are endowed . . . with certain inalienable RIGHTS . . . etc.” BULLCRAP! The ONLY actual right(s) any living creature has is the Right to defend itself! But, Human Arrogance seeped into even such a great document as our Constitution. AND WE BELIEVE IT! If Human-Kind actually believed, in their bones, that the ONLY “Right(s)” we had are those we exhibited equal responsibilities for, it would – have to be- a better place!
When I was a kid, adults ruled. If an adult caught you up to no good, first they told you to knock it off, then they told your parents and they punished you for it. An apology was always expected. Now days kids rule. They get away with anything. No respect for anything. If they want it, they get it. No yes mam, yes sir, no thank you. Teachers are in fear of violent students.
Instead of BRIBERY to get little Johnny to clean his room or stop hitting his sister, try parenting. They don’t wake up one morning and decide to be bad. It’s more an evolution of bad behavior. When little Johnny was 2 and started breaking things, biting, disobeying, that’s the time to stop it. Don’t wait till they form little brat gangs and cause some real damage Or hurt someone. Kids do what you ALLOW them to do. 8 and 10 year Olds should be riding bikes, playing gi Joe and building forts, not breaking into houses and destroying property. The parents need to pay for the damage. The boys need to be separated and work thier butts off to pay them back.
what the “boys” need is a serious ass-whopping.
That is what is wrong with this country.. when i was in school in the late 70’s early 80’s, teachers whopped your butt with a paddle.. and if you did wrong at home you might get the belt… or if at grandma’s house, you might get the switch..
Parents these days don’t have any time to actually parent.. They want the Television to act as babysitter and put kids in “time=out” or take away video games.
Excellent responses from everyone. Including what should be done. Even if they seemed off topic. I find they are all true.
Now… What WILL “everyone” DO about it?
I once asked potential Police Recruits what was the more effective, useful tool they would carry with them while on the job and those results ranged from the gun, baton, mace, camera/voice recorder, extra bullets, flashlight, etc. But there were the ones who were answered: The Pen and Notepad! It was those who considered “Report Writing” the most important, who were further considered for the job.
That should be a hint. Should you continue writing here or writing to somewhere else? (The squeakiest wheel always gets the grease!)
06.26.2013 CLYDE — All charges have been dropped against the Clyde man who corralled four boys in a closet when he found them vandalizing a relative’s home.
53-year-old Jesse Daniels appeared in the Town of Galen court Wednesday afternoon, where a prosecutor asked a judge to drop criminal charges against him.
Wayne County District Attorney Richard Healy asked the judge in the town of Galen court to dismiss the four child endangerment counts against Daniels in the interest of justice. The judge granted the motion.
Earlier this month, police charged Daniels with four counts of endangering the welfare of a child for putting four boys, ages 8 and 10, in a closet after he found them vandalizing his father-in-law’s home while he waited for police to arrive.
Daniels says he took hammers away from the boys and put the four children in a closet until police arrived. Looking back on the incident today, Daniels said he would not have done anything differently.
“I would not have changed anything, I felt that I did the correct thing,” he says.
Daniels’ attorney Stephen Sercu brought up New York State Penal Law, agreeing that Daniels did the right thing in that situation.
“There are rules in the Penal Law for the State of New York that allow homeowners, or people who are allowed to be on a premises to defend that property, but first and foremost you call the police, which is what Jesse did,” Sercu says.
He says the damage was more than $40,000.
Defense lawyer Stephen Sercu says Daniels thanked the community for their support after the ruling
The changes should have been dropped. If he let the poor little vandals run home, the parents would have said, no my little darling, he’s been doing his homework in his room all night!
I THOUGHT THE Y GENERATION WAS THE MOST NARCISISTIC. THERE WERE NO PARENTS’ RIGHTS THEN ( IN THE 1990’S AND EARLY 2000’S. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OWNED YOUR CHILD AND THE MORE AFFLUENT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THE MORE NAZI-LIKE THEY TENDED TO BE. I NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD A CHILD IF I KNEW WHAT WAS TO COME. I AM AGAINST ABORTION BUT I WOULD HAVE HAD ONE I’M SORRY TO SAY. GOD, PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THAT THOUGHT.
When I see stories like this I always want to know the whole story and fortunately Google and YouTube make that easier. This happened in June 2013, the boys were ages 8-10, apparently they had been asked to stay off Mr. Daniels property earlier, there seemed to be some tension with the neighbors before this incident, fortunately the charges against Mr. Daniels were dropped within a couple of weeks. I’m sure the father of 2 of the boys thought he was looking out for their welfare, but he should have been extremely embarrassed over his children’s behavior and offered to help clean up/repair the mess they had made (you can find pictures on the web – not sure what these kids were thinking!!). Instead he claims they were “traumatized” by the incident and couldn’t sleep that night – they should have been traumatized by the discipline their parents handed out when they got home!!! The dad claims Mr. Daniels knew who the kids were and should have sent them home and let the police come get them rather than locking them in a closet. The police were already on their way, so I think it was better that they were confronted in the middle of the mess they had made than at home where they could hide behind their parents. I hope these kids got a punishment from the courts that will straighten them out for good and that these parents will wake up and be parents! Hopefully they had to make full restitution to Mr. Daniels but they probably just expect him to be grateful he didn’t have to go to jail! Sad world we live in today.
When I was growing up, the scariest thing any adult could say to me if I was caught doing anything wrong was,”Hey kid!! How about I tell your parents about this?” There would have been serious consequences for my butt, as well as restrictions on my movements, in combination with restitution for any damages I may have caused. SERIOUSLY!! The only reason I have full use of my arms and legs is because I never dared to say “No.” To Mom, Dad, or any person (Adult) in charge of me. That went for all of us, and we all knew it. Now, there’s no limit on what kids can do or say, and get away with. There is no respect for adults or authority any longer. This has happened, in my opinion, because the parents of today no longer instill in their children the values and behavioral restrictions which allow each of us to live in a safe and mutually respectful society. The little monsters, bear no responsibility, in their opinion, for anything they do, and are extremely quick to shift blame for their actions onto someone or something else. Their parents generally back them up, regardless of their obvious guilt; trying to shift focus away from their lack of parenting skills, and onto someone, something, anything other than themselves. As we, as a society, become increasingly 3rd world in our attitudes and actions, how can we reasonably expect to enjoy the rule of law and mutual interpersonal respect to survive? It won’t!! The selfish little darlings will see to that, and will forever remain blameless. May God please help us all.
It seems like all the comments relate to one another and for me the most relevant is the tax structure that requires moms and dads to both work leaving the actual rearing of children to the government school system. The government school system in turn is not there to create thinking and creativity, it is there to develop workers who will function, pay taxes and allow government to do whatever they want and especially if they act Constitutionally or not. The teachers who teach are themselves the product of dumbing down as well as the cops who come to solve the problems that are the results of dumbing down. We have as a society become a circular firing squad with the removal of God in the classroom and the introduction of no right or wrong….relativism. With this being said I am somewhat annoyed at the question being asked in this thread as well. We have been usurped as a nation through the process of incrementalism. The problem did not start yesterday. We can begin over 100 years ago with the secret introduction of the private money Federal Reserve taking over the illegal process of printing the nations currency and charging interest. We can add as Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex and the assassination of JFK. We have been subject to numerous “false flag” attacks from WWII to 911 by which “new” laws are introduced that ultimately take away our freedoms. We watch DC do things that most of us know are not right and yet regardless of what state we live in in watch our Congressional Representatives say and do nothing??We are in constant wars as a nation with the objective of bringing freedom and democracy to someone 7000 miles away while protecting freedom here at home. And from what, some crackpot government in a third world toilet armed with rocks and spears?? LOL. No, we are there for resources and wealth that benefit the corporations, namely oil and military that profit from the conquests. In the meantime this nations treasure, the lives and blood of our children is spent freely without regard to how much blood they spill or the limbs that get blown off to satisfy this corporate greed. Then when the body bags come home we salute and cry for the loss and are proud at least that our children “war victims” died for our freedom. This is a lie from hell. We are lied to and we know we are lied to and just suck it up and go about our business, because we have been dumbed down as well. We started as a Representative Republic but we have to say to old “Ben Franklin”, We Did Not Keep It!! We are not even a democracy while in the name of our nation we spread democracy around the world. It seems we have to kill them first so they can enjoy the freedoms we bring. No, we are now owned by the corporations and our government system is a corporatocracy. In short their is no constitution left, we are moving into a police state. It all around us and a stupid question like “how did we get to the point that the children don’t mind us” gets asked??? LOL. Are you sitting in a nursing home strapped in a chair so you don’t fall out waiting for lunch and reminiscing about the past? Sheesh!
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Our government doesn’t follow the rules any more and has taxed us so much that both parents have to work which leaves the kids on their own. The end result is no discipline and teaching at home. The bible says in Deuteronomy chap 6 that we as parents should teach our children how to behave and obey the law of God (10 commandments) Of course that doesn’t happen any more because of our example (government). Anything goes these days and we will pay dearly for it!
Since you asked for what people think (opinion) as to what caused such a bad turn in our country, Great Country, I venture to share my two cents. I think it is a culmination of our value system (self, family, and community) especially family which went array without being groomed and nurtured early on in life. Now it’s become systemic and perpetuated systematically by mediocre democracy. We have built so many democratic institution without democratic practices.
One word – LIBERALS
Most of the problems now can be traced to the Liberals’ “inverted” value sturcture, inverted logic thought processes, inverted priories of self and individual’s interests trumping society’s interests – which think might be caused by their DMA double helic twisting the reverse of what the rest of us “right-minded” people’s do. And, I don’t have a suggestion of how to correct it, either. How about you ????
Who filled these charges against this man? Was it the Brats parents or was it a police decision trying to protect these little darling hellens? Either way it is time we the public stand up in large numbers to have this kind of decision trounced out of further existence…
I completely eagree with the decision to make sure no consequences come down on this concerned citizen. He acted appropriately and should be rewarded for stopping the thousands of dollars of more damage to the home. It sounds like they were just getting started. Can you imagine how much more damage they could have caused. As for the parents of the unruly teenagers. They are probably trying to push responsibility on someone other than their kids and themselves. The parents are legally responsible for what these boys did. I hope the parents have to pay for the repairs and the kids have to spend some jail time, have their right to drive taken for a couple of years, and i would love to see a judge who would order them to do the repairs under the watchful eyes of a city contractor. Make them understand just how difficult it is to repair all their damage. With that said there are some kids who are simply out of control. If that is the case with these kids, then their would be police reports supporting those facts. Let the parents of out of control kids off the hook. Their are plenty of cases out there of parents being abused by their children and our states don’t empower parents to do anything about it. So i say again if these parents are abused by these kids using the system and running amuck. THEN LET THE FULL WEIGHT OF THEIR ACTIONS COME DOWN UPON THOSE SO CALLED KIDS WITH ADULT RIGHTS, WITHOUT ADULT CONSEQUENSES.
The parents just did an erriversible thing to their children…hopefully the will come to their senses….
Spar the rod and spoil the child !!!!!
You should have added the information of where people should shout to get this guy off. Buttheads a cream and shout to get them out of trouble…… we all need to g we t off our butts and be louder.
I pray that the young man gets a Judge with common sense and lets him go. Then wants to know what idiot filed these charges on this man for containing hoodlums tearing up the property. I pray the parents are mad responsible for the damages these bad kids did and have to pay it all back along with community work for these boys.
Women entering the work force as a result of the world wars was not the reason for the downfall of our society as everyone is commenting on. The downfall and remorse of every woman is the greed of the male. If a wife would be respected in her own home by her husband and appreciated for ALL she does, instead of being ignored belittled and treated as property and deserving of faithfulness and loyalty(which is how women treat their husbands ), then eomen would have been happy to return to the home and care for the home and family! But once you’ve been given a taste of freedom, what SLAVE wishes to return to a PRISON! All of these problems are a result of GREED! The american male wanted to be able to have his beautiful home and car and did…doesn’t want to deal with the lack of parenting he hasn’t put into his children. He just wants to be left alone to go to work, stop at the bar after, ogle the nude and other women, etc… And come home to a clean home where the children are clean and quiet and eat dinner and watch tv until he’s ready to go to bed when he can screw his slave wife every night WITHOUT another care in the world. GROW UP AND BE MEN!!!!
After being released to my parents after this stunt my mom or dad would have likely whooped my butt, then grounded me. Then, when my grandmother heard about it, and she would have, she too would likely exact punishment of some sort on me. At the very least I would have then been forced to say I was sorry and made to help clean up the mess I had helped create. My parents would have been seriously pissed off, but at me, not the gentleman that held me till the police arrived. This is the road and sorry direction our country is headed down. Don’t blame the child, blame the adult that caught the child. If their parents are mad at all, its only because their little darlings got caught, not that they were breaking the law and vandalizing someone elses belongings. Sad sad world we now live in and its only going to grow worse. More’s the pity…..
I”m with you Frank. My parents also added to the school punishment. I”m thankful for my parents. Of course you know that things will only get worse.
You are absolutely, correct Frank. What it is: our country’s system has created less sentencing on most major crime by traumatizing and victimized the victim more–especially if they are poor and easier to catch. Not to mention: for every petty crime, the system demands more extreme and unreasonable punishment. The question is why? Well, there is more money to make in our municipal courts (County); and, easier apprehension to petty crime. In all reality, there is less punishment for higher crime. Especially, when criminal has a whole lot of money or the victim has very little. You see, the cops use to present more integrity; were more courageous, humane, less paranoid and less lazy. Some cops are still great and that is much to be grateful for. They are not prejudice, scared and have courage–they are true heroes. That is why everything is backwards. Our system is greedy and are over armed. That is why I phone bank and petition a lot.
This is proof that our justice system is upside down where the criminal has MORE rights than the victim. I hope that jail is ten fold worse than that closet.
When we lived in VA. in the 60s, a child under the daycare of a caregiver in their home, broke into a vacant house and damaged it every way he could manage: broken screens, screen door off kilter, paint splattered everywhere, toilet stopped up and then flushed repeatedly—well , you get the picture.
These parents were downright lucky. That judge sentenced the child’s caregiver, both parents and the boy to clean and fix it up. They were not allowed to hire anything/help. Best judgement I’ve ever heard.
Cathereine
A gang of teens broke into my house. The police came and took them out They were booked and released only tjo to come back and repeat process whent on & on. The police would not help me. I fled for my life being an elder. The city attorney sued me and took everything : my house, bank accounts , broke into my safe deposit boxes (2) and had all my US mail sent to one of his offices. I Also lost my social security and my medicare. I have been pennyless for five years now . NOwbody cares and I cannot get any attorney interested because this case is too costly to try and take too long. Sleep on that. EVerything I say here is true.
Mr. Jesse Daniels’ actions were not only justified; but, commendable. How often do you get a chance to catch all the little buggers and turn them over to Law Enforcement? Had it been anyone one else there would have four possibilities:
1.) The kids could have completed their act of vandalism and disappeared without ever being found. The police would have no clue and the home owner would be stuck with the cost of the repairs.
2.) The kids could have completed their act of vandalism and left clues behind identifying who was there. (You know, the typical stupid vandal that photographs their misdeeds.)
3.) The kids could have completed their act of vandalism; but, someone was caught because Mr. Jesse Daniels arrived just as the group of kids was leaving.
4.) The police arrived in time to catch the little darlings in the act. Talking about living in a fantasy. When was the last time the police were able to catch a bunch of kids tearing up someone’s property, in the act?
Well Mr. Jesse Daniels was able to apprehend these wayward youths. He put them all in a closet to keep an eye on them until Law Enforcement arrives. The kids were arrested for vandalism, but, Mr. Jesse Daniels was also arrested charged with four counts of endangering the welfare of children. Well Mr. Daniels that is what you get for putting children in a closet. You should be charged for endangering the welfare of children, YOU forgot to leave the light on. DUH!
Its funny how children in today’s society can do damage and harm to others; yet, their parents will try to hold the victim(s) accountable for the misdeeds of their delinquent offspring. These parents should be held accountable for their children’s deeds of destruction of someone else’s property. Mr. Daniels should levy a law suite against the parents, and their children. Not only should Mr. Daniels slap these delinquent people with a law suite, but he should have the families come over to the house and clean up the mess. A family that is dysfunctional together should work to repair the damage together. Perhaps the parents will change their tunes when their children decide to act out again against a neighbor’s property. I’m sure that if an incident ever occurs again, the parent of these delinquent children will not hesitate to whip out the ole,”tried and true” belt. A few whacks across a wayward child’s butt will definitely get their attention that inappropriate behavior will no longer be tolerated!
I say well done Mr. Daniels. I would have had a hard time controlling my temper. I might have started spanking procedures in lieu of the absent parents. I can dream; can’t I? I would not have struck the little babies, I would have stuck them into a closet and waited for the cops to arrive. Furthermore, I would not have turned the lights on either.
That’s right. Time to start holding the parents partially responsible. We’ve got to get parents in this country to WAKE UP to their responsibilities as parents! That’s the only way that some of this behavior will be corrected.
What happened to citizens arrest?
Isaiah 5:20
20¶ Woe vnto them that call euill good, and good euill, that put darkenes for light, and light for darkenesse, that put bitter for sweete, and sweete for bitter.
I have to agree with Helen Segura. I went to a parochial school and was taught that you never take anything that doesn’t belong to you and you never destroy anything belonging to another person. This was reenforced by our parents. Children today are coddled and not held responsible for anything.
Locking them in the closet was probably the most discipline they received for destroying that house. We all will feel the effects of their entitlement when they are grown up and still breaking into peoples’ homes!
You know Sally, it isn’t that you have to go to a parochial school for this type of lesson; it should have been taught as part of a child’s upbringing. It is primarily the parents responsibility to teach a child this lesson. But, what good is it when the parent’s themselves haven’t learned this lesson.
I agree with you that today’s kids are coddled way to much. The act of responsibility even fails the comprehension of the child’s own parents. That is why consequences for bad behavior is so critical in todays society. There should be, “No more free passes issued here” when people overall act inappropriately.
I would like to see where this was so that people can call and tell the judge how much they appreciate his acting in a reasonable and responsible manner with this fine gentleman. I would like to encourage people to make that phone call. Thank you.
Here in central Mexico, a child/adolescent would never do this or be long dead!
I’m guessing that they must be black thugs as the Lame Stream Media and the useless Police in the USA cannot perform.
retired expatriate (11 years)
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=914504#.VBwXkhYSoSk
It appears all charges were dropped
Some of this comes from our nation turning to socialism. The home belongs to ALL of us, so what if some of us want to decorate it with profanity. Isn’t that our 1st amendment right? We need to get back to having private property rights, that no one, not even the government has a right to violate.
PS: I also agree with everyone who said part of the problem is lack of discipline, punishment, teaching of morals and leaving God out of our lives. Just adding that this all ties in with your ideas in many areas.
I too agree. I can tell you in the 70’s when teachers could no longer discipline their students, that’s when k ids learned they could get away with malicious behaviors…no one would do anything about it. That was the beginning of the fall of disciplinary actions that would teach our kids to make better choices. Now those kids in the 70’s have become parents and they do not know how to parent because they never had to suffer for their vcious acts. So here we are today trying to guide a whole generation to teach their kids responsibility when the parents themselves never learned it themselves.
I sincerely hope the owner of that home prosecuted the parents for the destruction of his home. Atleast at this late date the parents may “feel” that their own kid’s malicious behaviors were frowned upon by our society. One could hope.
I lagely agree, but take exception to the suggestion that a religious upbringing has much to do with the lack of morals or discipline among our generally useless youth.
My father had no use for religion, perhaps after spending WW2 as a Marine in the Pacific jungles, and his four kids turned out fine — honest hardworking, two of us career military..My son is in his 30s, did a hitch in Navy intelligence, and has never been in trouble. He’s also a pretty nice guy, always ready to help anyone.
I believe it’s more important that you raise a child with both kindness AND discipline, so that he understands that you do the right thing because society will not work otherwise, and besides it’s in YOUR interest — since if you treat others with honesty and kindness, in most cases (not all), you will get the same thing back from them.
I don’t find it necessary to scare kids into doing the right thing with visions of Hell & damnation.
I have much respect for religion and have no objection to traditional religious references on money or in public buildings, but I do object to the rather arrogant suggestion that atheists are, by definition, somehow less moral or less honest than those who espouse some type of religious belief.
These children were just 8 to 10 years old……..locking them in the closet seems appropriate…..but one of the kids’ parents showed a picture o marks on his sons throart!!! In the guys defense….there were 4 of them and 3 were holding HAMMERS & threatening him!!! Sounds like reasonable “self-defense.”
I would say the kids are suffering from a lack of parenting…..not really their fault…..some people just should not have kids!!! I know this sounds radical….& truly, it is, I admit. But these kids should be put into homes where they will LEARN to be responsible citizens before it’s too late & they are already learning to be burdens on Society. Furture prison Inmates in training (or rather, LACK of training)
The PARENTS should PAY!!! Each & every one should pay the full amount of the damages with the “cc’d” money going into a fund for……something. If the parents are made to pay….maybe THEY will LEARN that with being a parent comes responsibility……..
If you seriously want to know how things in this country degenerated to their present state, I strongly recommend that you read NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON – 25 YEARS LATER by John A. Stormer. The book is available on Amazon.com. Mr. Stormer is working on getting it reprinted. Folks, the decay has been deliberate, and has been in progress since the 1890’s. The end result alluded to by Mike D. Fixer, above, is just around the corner.
Your question about how this all happens. The root cause of this generations’ behaviour problems are having God taken out of schools. I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s in England. We had morning assembly every day that included prayers and singing hymns. I loved it, even though we as a family didn’t go to church on Sunday! We also had religion as a lesson once a week and talked about just everything. A good place to discover trouble in a child. But the biggest and best question is – What are the parents doing?
Helen, it is not a case of GOD taken out of the classroom; it is a case of people not going to church to learn about GOD, Jesus, “The Golden Rule” and how to interact with our neighbors. I’m taking away from those that go to Temple, or any other places of worship. It is here when people come together to meet and learn from their neighbors the basic functions of society of belonging. If you go to a place to worship you are taught to respect your elders, your parents and all of those that are there to worship GOD in their own way. It is a sad fact that houses of worship are lacking todays youth. The parents are too busy with their daily grind to take time to go to church. They want to sleep in to catch up with the lost of sleep that they had missed during the week. They want the kids to sit and play somewhere quietly. This is what the children have learned. Me first, then the rest will find its own place in my life.
I hear this same comment often, but I was born in 1946, went to a very small school in a very small town (graduating class was 64 kids) — and there was certainly a negligible reference to God or religion in public school then. Aside from the “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance (which wasn’t recited daily past the 6th grade), religious references were few — prayer at graduation or before some of the sports functions, and occasionally an empty room was allowed to be used by some prayer group.
Blaming the disastrous condition of today;s youth on lack of religion is just plain silly, and misses the point entirely
This mess goes back to the mindless rantings of an old fool named Benjamin Spock, a physician who wrote a book on parenting that became hugely popular. Most parents in the 1950s read this liberal sludge, and his “never lay a hand on the little darlings” rules became The Rules for every generation of parents since — not to mention generations of child psychologists, teachers and almost every group connected with children.
Spock was an idiot and had no research to back up his nonsense — but everyone bought into it because it allowed parents and teachers to abandon any real responsibility for disciplining children. Guess what happens when NO ONE disciplines chilren, except with non-punishents like “time outs” ?
The kids quickly figure out that no one is really in charge, and that there is no real punishment for dishonesty, immorality, or anything else. So they do whatever amuses them for the moment, with absolutely no fear of retribution.
An it gets worse every year.
This has NOTHING to do with religion, and everything to do with an evil liberal philosophy that was sold to our parents & teachers. And it’s far too late to fix it, so we’d better learn to deal with it.
If it was up to me they would still be in the closet
Look up anthony mcpharlane. Thats, tragic.
he should have shot the little creeps and put a knife or gun in their hands.That or waited till it got dark and dumped them in a nearby river
I really think after they paid for damages they ought to be caned like in other countries
To the best of my knowledge Mr. Daniels was charged, but the county DA dropped the charges. In part because he is a common sense type of person, and in part because there was such a community out cry. I live in the county that this happened. The parents of these youngsters should get tarred and feathered!
MAC..THE PARENTS HOUSE SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND! AFTER A LIL BIT OF LEATHER APPLIED TO THE ASS OF THEIR KIDS.
Like was reported, the charges were dropped. To make EWoC …Endangering the Welfare etc..you must prove or at least demonstrate to a reasonable level, that there was in fact abuse or neglect as a result of the act. Emotional abuse is very, very difficult to prove even in cases of repeated terrorizing of children by their parents/ caregivers. Plus, the judge appears to have had good sense. Like has seen the kids before him because of other behaviors. Sure hope they got properly scared or they will be back in criminal court again and again.
Thanks for telling the facts here. There are a lot of insane situations regarding abuse of citizens, but this isn t one. Parenting issues, that s another story!
At Jr, High School in the late 30s , it was not uncommon
to be taken out of line in gym class and be given a few swats for punishment by the coach. By the way, in front of the entire class, If any one thought of going home and telling his parents, think again, good chance he may get a few more from his dad. I still think
a swat on the butt is learning right from wrong, and is missing in this day and age.
Right on. I might be just a Gen X’er, but we were raised with grandparents who were of the “greatest generation”, and after a leather belt, extension cord, etc.. on our asses, we also got a bar of Ivory soap stuck in our mouth. I really think washing kids mouth out with soap is a disciplinary action that is sorely needed
We used very limited and clearly explained reasons when administering ” corporal punishment” in our home. Respect for each other, then for the children and them for us along with expecting them to address consequences for all behaviors they could controll or assist in fixing. We didn t scream and swear, and threaten them or excuse ourselves for our behaviors.” you stupid brats blah, blah made me loose my temper, . Beating kids, torching homes and rioting over injustice only teaches kids to disrespect the rights and property of others. Not what we are about here.
Well said Charolette. I never had to raise my voice to my children except once when my 2 year old son took a fork and was about to stick it into the wall socket. I yelled at him to “STOP!”
I never had to spank my children because I taught them respect at an early age, “Yes sir, no sir, yes mame no, mame.” A lesson that they still have today.
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! Its all about money. The court system or Kangaroo court system in this country has become money driven. They know that the kids (idiots) tho they may be have no way to pay restitution and the chance of the parents being held liable are slim to none. It isn’t enough we pay with our tax dollars the salaries of these incompetent police then they stick someone with another bill to generate revenue. They know that the patriot citizen who was defending his area probably has a job, debt and needs to work so he will PAY to stay out of jail. $$$$ Next time he should load them in the trunk of his car and drop them off a great distance from their home and wait for the amber alert to go out, go back pick them up and demand a reward, at least he would have bail money and money for an attorney and not have to rely on some useless court appointed one who will plea-bargin him into work release with probation and restitution for a crime someone else did. It may take a village to raise a kid but it takes two idiot parents to make them useless members of society and we will be forced to pay for them in the prison system for years to come. Spare the rod spoil the child! How long before they are doing B&E’s while people are in there homes and they accidently shoot some innocent home owner. Or how lone before they do that and get killed by a homeowner?
I would like to see Mr. Daniels counter sue the parents as being responsible for the damages their “scared” children caused. Perhaps the insurance company should collect this retribution from the parents. Regardless, I totally agree with the rod spared, child spoiled philosophy. Tresspassers lose all rights the moment they enter my domain.
Rule #1, my house my rules. Rule #2, see rule #1.
Shame on us all for allowing society to become what it is today. If we do not lead, we are forced to follow.
Amen.
AMEN! Any misdeed needs the appropriate “Corporal Punishment”. Be it a behind blistering, grounding, or taking things away, training your kids gran-kids or the neighbors kids, up to death if you take a life or rape a life! Not done with anger but pure objective thought and supporting the Rules of Divine Establishment. Our legal system has gotten so pathetic it takes a life time to finally get a convicted heinous crime offender to the death chair or IMPEACHED and put in jail! I for one think we need an express line vice letting the appeal process last for 50 years supported by who…us again!
This is something different from your topic but you need to watch this, http://www.surenews.com/police/did-two-police-officers-cross-the-line-in-electra-texas-what-how-one-citizen-took-the-law-into-his-own-hands-.htm
Reading through the comments about disciplining kids…society is really messed up. I was a kid during the 40s when a kid was “seen and not heard”, we respected authority and adults. I brought my kids up that way and when they deserved to get a butt warming, we were threatened with the police, from a kid who wanted to avoid the repercussions of misbehaving! So I told them to go ahead, call the police, of course they did not. The book of Proverbs tells us in Pro. 13:24 “The one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline.” Also in Prov. 22:15 “Foolishness is tied up with the heart of a boy (or girl); the rod of discipline is what will remove it far from him.” A good butt spanking is sometimes needed, sometimes another form of discipline such as time out, grounding, taking a favorite toy or device away for a time, etc. can do the trick. And YES, it is the parents who are responsible for training up a child the right way and not nanny TV and games and do-what-you-want-just-let=me-be or give them too much money and put them in the mall. God made us responsible for our kids as he is the Founder of the family unit. I am happy to say that my kids now see our way and try to inculcate into their kids what is right and what is wrong.
I am appalled at the attitude of parents these days. It is easier for them to deny and ignore their children’s bad behaviors than to have to deal with the repercussions of their lack of example and discipline. They are too busy with their own petty little existence than to be bothered with teaching their children right from wrong. I was brought up to believe that “if you make your bed, you lie in it”. Meaning that you must realize the consequences when you do wrong. Unfortunately, because of our loss of values, this is no longer the issue. Today the teachings of God are no longer in our daily lives and it is obvious in the actions of our children. The liberals have seen fit to take the value of right out of our lives. No wonder crime is so rampant in our country.
The blame rests on the parents of those boys. Raised not knowing the difference between right and wrong. What a shame, and to think they will soon be having offspring.
Frank,
I wanted to offer that you should google Judge Cicconetti of Painesville Ohio. He has a unique style and I wish we had more like him on the bench. The Wikipedia page on him has some good stuff. It sort of gives you hope in justice again.
Hay Frank as I also live in New York I agree with u,the same thing happened to me when I was in school,a lot of senior classmates went on a rampage throughout the school causing thousands of dollars in damage,the first to be blamed for any of the damage was my self a farmer an others with farm back grounds,where in realty it was the class president an other (A) students 25-30 ofthem ,there punishment was have a nice time after graduation an a good time in collage ,boy that’s some justice to this day I have not revived one apology from the police, head of the school or the people who caused all the problems to begin with .
I am a 58 year old former US Marine. When I was 8 years old everyone was absorbed with the Kennedy assignation on TV. I took this time to be stupid. Nearby there was a vendor selling fruits and vegetables on a street corner. While he was talking about Kennedy, I stole an apple just to do it. Never stole anything before. The vendor caught me. He knew my mom and closed up his stand and marched me back home to expose my actions. He took with him a basket of fruit for my mom. my mom beat my ass for three days after that and I couldn’t go outside and play for a month. I was subjected to constant stories of honor everyday. Thank God for a good asswhipping. I became a model Marine from this lesson and made meritorious rank 4 times. If it weren’t for that terrible month…. I may have very well been a career criminal, spending most of my life in and out of prison. Today I find this story deplorable. We, as a society, have entered into a new era of moral degeneration. The media (movies in general) have made our youths’ mindsets no longer a vision of compassion, rather ‘What can I get’, not what can I earn. In this instance, I see greed as the root here, The parents see a lawsuit on the horizon, not thinking of the atrocities their offspring have committed. The words democracy and constitution have been twisted beyond repair. Get your survival skills honed to the highest level possible and become dependent on yourself. A catastrophic event will soon occur…. it’s over the world as we know it. it’s just a matter of time…..
Patriot … When you advertise this kind opinion please reference your source(s) so that we can get the “rest of the story”. I did a google search for “Jesse Daniels clyde ny” and found this article. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/jesse-daniels-clyde-ny . I understand that the police were doing there job investigating in both Situations. You never know the truth till you get the facts and make a judgment call. Situation-1: It “appeared” that the kids were vandalizing. Situation-2: It “appeared ” that the man might have roughed up the kids and detained them. What I do not understand is that when the police finished there investigation that night of the crime why the man was charged. The facts of the two situations showed that the kids were doing a crime and that the man was defending his property. The kids were in a place they should have not been and doing criminal activity. And the the man had a right to “man handle” them and detain them for the police. The real question here is why did the police charge the man? What motivated them to waist taxpayer money for prosecution? Why did they waist the mans time and money, and publicly question the mans integrity? It appears that we have become a “Police State” and that those that conduct themselves in a moral manner do not have any rights when the police is concerned. Does our police force conduct themselves at the highest moral conduct?
The question then becomes, “How much should an adult take upon himself when acting against young children.”
The police and the judicial system has no problem calling young children adults and try them in court as an adult when it suites their needs. But have Mr. Common everyday citizen stand up for himself and his property. Whoa, look out; you just crossed the line.
The police have been trained to take everyone in to custody. Let the courts/district attorney’s office sort things out. The police don’t want to have their actions or inactions called into question, like it has in the past. Can you really blame the Police? Remember, common sense just flew out the window, its better to be safe than sorry.
I have seen this phenomenon a lot. When their children are caught misbehaving in public, instead of being embarrassed or upset with their children, they are defensive and angry with the person who caught the children misbehaving. It started with the removal of prayer from public school. Since then, the moral compass for our country has been so skewed that evil is called good, and that which is good is denounced as being evil. Instead of being taught to love God and their neighbor, children are taught to love themselves and to express that and excellence is not rewarded lest the feelings another child get upset. Perverse curriculum has replaced Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic. To top all that off, the few teachers who want to rise above all that and be good teachers are vexed by unbearably disruptive and bad behavior from some children and the teachers get chastened when they try to aggressively deal with it. These kind of children are the leaders of tomorrow? That really makes me nervous.
YOU CAN THANK THE LEGAL SYSTEM FOR THAT!!!!
No, Everybody is responsible for that!!!! All too often we as American’s point the finger at who we think is at fault. The mistake is theirs and theirs alone. Well speaking as a child, “When you point your finger at me, there are three fingers pointing back at you.”
It is funny when you look at other societies in the world and compare them to ours. We are unique in that we will not accept blame if we can divert it onto someone else. In some instances, we will even try to blame that all to well known imagery person or circumstance to avoid accepting responsibility for our mistakes. Other cultures in the world will agree that a mistake has been made; however, it is how the group overall correct said mistake. The realize that anyone can make a mistake, it is how it is dealt with that makes or breaks the group. We as Americans need to accept the responsibility for our mistakes. We as Americans must accept the consequences of making our mistakes. But, we must temper the consequences with compassion, respect, and forgiveness. If we apply these three qualities then people will change how we will look at them when they make a mistake; but more importantly, how the offender will look at himself.
If that doesn’t work for you then look at it this way, how would you like it if you were the one that made the mistake? How would you like to be treated?
I agree Cliff:
We tune into shows that undermine our traditional values just because they are “shocking.”
We support media stories that focus on the emotional and irrational rather than what’s right.
Then we cry “something is wrong with our society” and never connect the dots that we helped to create it.
I think the phrase “take the log out of your own eye…” is appropriate here; it’s not just “them” who need help.
You can thank the legal system in this country for that.
No discipline in the schools today thank the legal system. Back in 1968 when I was doing student teaching in my last year of college I reprimanded two boys in the fourth grade for making spit balls while I was teaching. They simply defied me so I caught them off guard and literally slammed the flip top down on the desk just missing one of the boy’s fingers. The other boy said to me “if you would have broken his fingers he would sue you.”
Hey, he gave those kids a time out in the closet. Time outs have become the norm these days with young kids.
We live with the results of Dr. Spock and don’t spank, or
as previously posted, “warming butt”. This is just an
outrage that the man was even arrested. He should
have been given an award for being a responsible
citizen. Oh how far we have come down that slippery slope.
Hi,
Like your site and have learned so much. In being fair to the police (which may have used poor judgment but followed through with the complaint and charged Jesse Daniels of Clyde, New York) The DA dismissed all charges. The boys were charged with burglary and criminal mischief. Their cases were handled Wednesday in Wayne County Family Court. By omitting this it gives the impression that Jesse Daniels was still in hot water and the kids got away with the vandalizing. The kids were very lucky Daniels treated them mildly. In many other places they could have been shot and killed and the owners would have been justified.
Thanks for your site,
erin kelle dean
Thank you for the update to this situation. Looks like justice has been done. Unfortunately, it is a sad commentary when law-abiding people have to put their necks on the line because of the inexcusable lack of parental oversight. The “buck” should stop there and parents held personally accountable. No, it is NOT the legal system per se, but the failure of society to vet political candidates before casting a vote. New York and other States are controlled by liberals who appoint officials that follow their agenda to all branches of government including the court. The voters decide, but only when they actually vote. Case in point is the new mayor of NY City who was elected into office by a substantial minority of registered voters. So, wake up and start voting and kick those liberal jackasses out of office or accept the stupid consequences. You can make a difference!
Amen! This nation has turned from God and He has probably had to turn away because He cannot look upon all the evil and sin. BIBLE stands for Book of Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s in small south Alabama towns. Parents weren’t afraid to let their kids run loose around the neighborhoods. During summer break from school, we’d run out the door and not return until the sun went down that night. If any of the neighborhood parents caught us doing something, they’d tan our hides and call one of our parents usually while holding us by the ear. Depending on the offense, my parents would either tell me to stay there until they came by after work to collect me or, if it was bad enough they’d leave work and come get us. Woe be unto us if that happened, there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth as well as grounding and threats to sell us to the Arabs if it ever happened again.
Don’t forget that we had to supply that switch from the bush, for that, “on the spot correct” to be followed up later that night by daddy’s belt.
I grew up in Alabama too.
The problem is too many lawyers and parents who believe their children can do no wrong. They are their best friends. The rod has never been spared in my house. My kids are “corrected” and brought back in line. If arrested, I hope they enjoy their night in jail.
2/3/2-14 – I overheard a person in charge of a shelter ask an immigrant if she was a US citizen. She responded no but that she had her green card and planned to be a permanent resident. The Shelter leader then confided in the immigrant that she would get preferred treatment and help over a US citizen because she was in greater need. So I learned that US tax-paying citizens are really 2nd class citizens next to the aliens entering our country with only green cards. We pay; they stay. We hurt; they hurt and are helped before the genuine citizen is helped.
What would have happened if the police showed up in time to lock the kids up in hand cuffs and probably bully them too? Wouldn’t that be the same crime of endangering children’s safety as locking them in a closet where they would at least be free to move around until police arrived? why would anyone have any respect for police when they operate this way? I guess freedom of criminals is more important than the safety of citizens. The police are afraid of getting in trouble with the kids’ derelect parents and risk having their own homes ransacked in revenge if they arrest the bad, undiciplined kids. What good are the police; why are we paying them to do this kind of stupidity? They should be grateful for the help arresting the kids so they can take credit for themselves. And the police are supposed to be OUR protection!!? What a joke!!
Did the police want the homeowner to turn the kids loose so they could use more of our tax money to try not to find them? it really makes you wonder!
There were 5 of us kids in the family,grew up in the 40’s If I wrote to small in class I got the ruler on the hand from my teacher,but you know I thanked her and said yes Mam.I left the room on the first bell teach came out smacked me in the head I thanked him went back in the room. It was yes SIR and NO Mam in my day.I would not trade it for one day in the schools today.Total garbage with the rules today my teachers would be in jail now and i would be some smart ass kid thinking the world owed me a living and good for nobody.Ill take the old days anytime.I have been in the new MILLION Dollar schools and saw some of the kids things all over the locker room and floors,there dress codes,language,WOW !!
Doesn’t the prosecutor have to file the charges in order to pursue the case? No prosecutor in his/her right mind will even consider filing against Mr. Daniels. Picture yourself on the jury and after hearing the case against Mr. Daniels, you’d award him punitive damages in his countersuit against the State for ever trying to get a conviction against him. Let’s get over ourselves and recognize that this case against Daniels is going nowhere people. Our indignation at the arrest is natural, but Daniels’ arrest should be expunged from his record and any filing of charges should instead be against the parents of the vandals along with payment for the damages to the house. The parents are responsible for the actions of their minor children. That is how the law is meant to work, and let us have some faith that it will.
In the early 80’s it became popular for states to claim children as the ‘greatest asset to the state’. As a protective service worker, I saw plenty of too hard / inappropriate corporal punishment- no we can’t let parents kill their children, but please remember that putting the police between parents & children & breaking families apart, just in case there was a slap, is far from the solution. Now it’s common to hear children threatening parents, police threatening parents, & God help the parent who leaves a red hand mark anywhere about their child- NO I DON’T MEAN BRUISES! The state has taken parental authority from parents- while holding them completely accountable for what the child does. I left protective work for another form of social work, & truly believe that FAMILIES are the states greatest asset, & until ‘WE THE ADULTS’ stand up for parental rights, our children are not ours. Even the most immature, arrogant or poor, love their children more than the protectors we pay, or any state could! Parenting is a skill all can learn, if motivated, & I believe breaking up a family is a crime the state commits daily to enslave, frighten & misguide us into submission. When I was young, those vandals would be more than afraid of being locked in a closet while police arrived! Those cops should have thanked that man, but now the parents might have been mad as now it’s them that will pay the $50k, plus fees fines & lawyers… I could see that as motivation for wanting the kid- uncaught! Bottom line is a parent needs to set the standard of right & wrong, & have the God given authority to punish bad behavior- this can all be done without bodily harm, or heaven forbid, mental/ emotional disturbance.
What should Americans do when the wrath of the police and the courts are far worse then the wrath of the criminals
Arm ourselves with various tools and attitudes for our self preservation. Knowledge is the ultimate weapon, which we can protect ourselves.
When I was in First Grade, two neighbor boys convinced me to steal some eggs from my aunt’s hen house and we threw them at passing cars on the interstate. My aunt found out and I was sent to bed without supper. Before school the next morning my uncle told me to go bring a willow switch from the creek and think about why I was being punished. The slow walk down and back is a story in itself. Uncle Art made me recite my crimes and explain why they were wrong (egg money was the only consistent cash money for the household). He then bent me over his knee and switched me twice, just above the knees (little girls wore dresses in the 50’s). The thin red welts stung as I walked the 1/2 mile to our two-room school house in rural Colorado. The other kids saw the marks and teased me about getting whipped. They discussed the folly of my actions and we talked about similar and worse whippings until the teacher called us. By lunch time the marks were gone, but the lesson remained firmly etched in many little minds. Now days this would be considered child abuse. Back then, it was punishing one to teach many. I grew up to be a solid member of society and a police officer.
An incident like this helps explain why on Fox News last night, they showed video of a person dying in the doorway of a store and people just stepped over him.
The point is that we are a society whose laws were founded on a moral basis that has now been denied and/or degraded. Until we have the moral fiber of our forefathers, we will see this and much worse. Just look at Washington, DC.
I think we are in trying times right now. Good will win out over evil if all of us with a properly functioning mind stand up for what is right. It will not be easy but we have to never ever give up. Usually when it seems as though there is no possibility of winning that is when the tide will turn, therefore never ever give up! In November we all have a chance to make a difference, we need to cast our vote for what the candidate stands for and not worry about what letter is behind their name. At this time it is obvious which party that is, so I need not say. We also have to remind any new voters coming in that there must be a reason they left where they came from, if they want a better place to live then they need to vote for the values we used to hold. There is no perfect person or politician, but there is a lot of difference in the political parties now, our country and our very way of life hangs in the balance of the next 2 elections, make sure we make the right choice! Enough said! Do your homework!
We were brought up to respect other people and their property. We never vandalized anything, but I am sure that if we did, we would have been expected to either repair it ourselves or work to pay someone else to repair it. I totally do not understand parents who try to justify their children’s wrongdoing. Daniels scared their children? They ought to be scared, not just of him, but of their parents and the authorities.
Those parents should thank Daniels for stopping their boys before they did any more damage. I am not a big fan of corporal punishment, but I do believe that adults and children alike need to suffer the consequences of their actions. If those kids caused $50,000 worth of damage, they need to work until they can pay $50,000 for the repairs. That will be a lot of hours at minimum wage or less, and they shouldn’t have much free time left for any more vandalism.
Unfortunately, that will never happen in this crazy, mixed up world we now live in.
The boys should be scared about the consequences to their actions. The only way to resolve this is have the parents of these kids pay for the damage to the home. The parents need a dose of reality. This man did the right thing and we should have a judge worth his salt throw the damn arrest of this man thrown out. It is sad that our society punishes people doing the right thing.
I hate to say it but there is a good chance the parents are on welfare thus get income tax refunds for work that they did not do, money they did not earn, and spend that money on drugs and alcohol. I hear now our hard earned tax dollars go to pay for it Pet Food and Veterinary care for peoples pets who claim they can’t even afford to support themselves. I know of a woman’s whose tax dollars pay to support the man who killed her son when he was trying to stop this man from raping a 16-year-old girl, now that man is free and her son is dead forever. Oh and by the way the man killed the 16-year-old girl also.
Read “the instruction book”… It’s all spelled out in black & white.As time gets near the end here on earth” “-“Good will appear bad and bad will appear good”! After all. Just ask any of the married guys-
For thise that don’t know…. Instruction bk is the Bible
Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Typical of our perverted society where no equity is applied in Justce & Judgement. The Bible warns that before Christ returns, ” perilous times shall come… “(2nd Timothy 3;1) & “Woe unto them that call evil good & good evil….(Isaiah 5:20) . This is the fruit of Democracy as opposed to a Republic. One fellow said when you lose your History you lose your Country: Welcome to America 2014.
One of the guys I worked with in WA state was arrested and charged for protecting his neighbors property. His neighbor was on deployment and he saw some guys messing around his house. He grabbed his gun and walked up to one of them. The other came around the corner with a crowbar so he pulled the gun and held them at gun point till the police arrived. Long story short the house was being foreclosed on and these guys were reps of the bank but neither identified and he went to jail charges were dropped but not till a lot of money was spent on lawyers and court costs. The reason I’m back in TX at least here the law is closer to the right side
You answered the question near the end of your comment. Lawyers and money. If you pole congress, I’m sure you’ll find that most lawyers are democrats and most businessmen are republican. As they write laws they make them so complicated that you have to hire a lawyer to read it. Then you may have to keep a lawyer on retainer to keep you in compliance and out of jail. Look at ObamaCare! If someone actually looked up all the in accordance with references how many pages would it be? Count how many pages it took to write the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. These documents make up what our country is suppose to be run on. Compare that to how many pages does it take to write a law that only runs our health care.
I read about this a couple of months ago and I have to say this…..I was not a perfect child, I come from a divorced family(I loath that term “broken home”) and I was raised primarily by my mother but, I also had a very mean drunk for a step dad that liked to use me as a punching bag( DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR ME!!!!!) I tell you this because it was just the way it was, anyway back to the comment. My mother had to divorce him as well (for obvious reasons) so she was now a single woman with 4 kids trying to survive so she was under alot of stress to say the least,I as I have already said was far from a perfect child so in the course of growing up I did a lot of stupid things some things because they seemed to be a good idea at the time and others just because I wanted to be mean or ignorant. In school the teachers didn’t need to send you to the principal for punishment they would just drag you into the hall and warm your bottom side on the spot in grade school and in junior high they were required to send you to the principal and he would warm ya up. This being said when I would get into trouble all I could think of all the way home was (I hope they don’t call home,because if they did as soon as I walked through the door I got it again, for embarrassing my mom,she used to say I don’t want my children acting like animals) back then I even got my butt warmed up twice from 2 separate friend’s dad’s when we were caught messing up. Again all I could do was hope they didn’t call my mom, one did and I got it again as soon as I got home. By the time I got into high school the school was no longer allowed to swat you but by then I had learned how to act like a human being (as my mom always said) I still got into trouble but just a couple of fights(boys will be boys) and by then I had learned to respect the fact that when in school the teachers were in charge. I have to say I do not HATE my mother because of the but whippings in fact I love here very much and out of all of the corrections she made on me I would say 99% I had coming because I knew the rules and I broke them and I also knew the consequences for breaking them (now as for my step dad he was just a mean drunk). I now have 2 grown boys of my own and yes I raised them as I was raised with rules and consequences and yes I did spank them(I never beat them though as my step dad did me) Just butt warmings and I feel I did right by them as my mom did right by me. See if I had done something like that back then I feel for sure that the guy that caught me would have wore me out first then called my home them my mom would have wore me out and made me not only work to pay for the damage I would have been made to help to do the work itself to fix what I had torn up. Just my opinion for what it worth. Jim
You are exactly right Frank!! When I got into trouble at school, there was a Dean I had to report to. He said, “Well, what do you prefer, two swats or a two day suspension?” Of course I took the swats!! Who wants to go home and tell dad that you got suspended from school.. My behind stung for a while but I have in fifty years never forgot the lesson. Our youngsters today lack that sort of discipline that we had back then. Parents and teachers cannot even touch the child let alone administer corporal punishment.