Is Trump Right to Roll Back Obama’s Clean Power Plan?
Former President Barack Obama’s Clean Power Plan, which restricts greenhouse gas emissions at coal-fired power plants, was praised by most Democrats and lambasted by most Republicans.
The biggest complaint about the plan came from states where industries profited from burning oil, coal and gas. It’s been called an attack on American workers and the coal industry.
No friend of the Environmental Protection Agency the past eight years, President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order that would suspend, rescind or flag for review a number of measures in the plan in order to increase energy production in the form of fossil fuels.
The big question becomes, will Trump’s changes damage the environment, or will the effects be minor in comparison to the jobs they create?
Trump’s new selection as head of the EPA, Scott Pruitt, believes the changes will be beneficial.
“It’s going to create jobs in the oil and gas sector,” Pruitt said. “For too long, over the last several years, you’ve had certain industries, certain sectors of our economy that were within the crosshairs of the EPA. That is not going to happen anymore.”
Trump refers to his action as “a historic effort to massively reduce job-crushing regulations” including some that threaten “the future and livelihoods of our great coal miners.”
So, is Trump ignoring real “climate science” and making a move that will be bad for the country in the long term, or is he doing what he needs to do to protect American businesses against an exaggerated “climate theory?”
just tell me one thing how can we destroy the ozone with freon if it is,heaver than air if you don’t believe me fill a balloon with it tie it up the release it see where it,goes straight to the,ground
First of all the coal industry is a dying industry due to the climate change of the planet. If we want to continue to survive on this Earth, we’ll have to change a number of things that used to be set in stone. There are ways to retrain coal miners for jobs that pay more and hurt their health less. These jobs are not rocket science and don’t require a college education, so they don’t have to worry about being under qualified. It is better for them, for us, for the planet.
How much does a wild fire burning for weeks raise the temperature? My family moved to Detroit, MI
In 1964 and the air was horrible. Now I don’t even notice it. They had to clean it up in part because of government regulation. How much does our habit of being “throw away nation” increase our pollution? How much does the manufacture of all this plastic & things like solar panels and batteries effect our environment.
It is no hotter now than when I was a child. I remember those hot summer days on the farm.
Of course it seems hot outside if you were born and raised in aid conditioning. IF global warming is a concern why do people go outside and intentionally get sunburned? I do believe it was super hot in the outback long before global warming was heard of.
On a different note…..I fully support Trump and his agenda. He may well be our best chance to avoid going past the tipping point and becoming a 3rd world nation. He does, however, represent himself very poorly. He’s the worst public speaker we’ve had in that office in many decades. His “tweets” sound like a low class Bowery Bum. For someone, during his campaign, that made the claim “I am very highly educated and know more words than anybody” it sure doesn’t show. There’s nothing wrong with going on the offensive BUT he could be doing it with much more class.
Nobody argues climate change is real, the argument is over what’s the cause. Is it natural or man-made? Here’s some food for thought. WE are still in the extinction phase of the last “ice age”. Ten thousand years ago you could have walked from Florida to the Yucatan. The Mediterranean was a puddle and the Black Sea was a small lake. The Bosporus, that splits Turkey, didn’t exist. By 8 thousand years ago the Glacial melt off raised the oceans of the world by about 330 ft. That filled the Med. and blew a hole through Turkey flooding the Black Sea. It was the basis of the “Great Flood” story of the major religions. Gore would have had a field day back then!! The PBS channel ran a “Nature” documentary a few years ago called “Nirigongo…Fire under the City” it outlined the plight of a city, by that same name in Africa, with respect to a volcano by that same name. The documentary zeroed in on the Lava tubes from the volcano leading straight to the city. One of the points, in passing, was the fact that this volcano is a constant “fumer”. They, further, commented that as a fumer it spews out more greenhouse gasses than all of the industrialized western hemisphere combined. THAT’S JUST ONE VOLCANO! For anyone with any sense, the next question should be “how many volcanoes like that are there?” Here are some answers. There are about 5000 land based volcanoes. Of them about 1500 are constant fumers. There are about 30,000 additional volcanoes along the ~45,000 miles of mid oceanic rifts encircling the globe. About 1/3 of them are fumers. (look up “Black Smokers”). I’m not referring to Rastafarians! Let’s make the math simple, if 1000 of those volcanoes spew out as much greenhouse gas as the entire western Hemisphere…..that means if you shut off ALL of the industrialized output, you’d only impact greenhouse gas emission by .1% i.e. negative impact! Giam (mother earth) is breathing, and WE have NO control over that. Gore, and his inflated ego, might try to issue GOD a summons but I don’t think he’ll get very far with that. There was another PBS NOVA special on the current variations of the Earth’s magnetic fields. It exposed the “offset blob” of magnetic north wandering into the southern hemisphere that I mentioned in an earlier post. The sources were USGS Bolder Colo. and the London academy of Physics. Both very credible and apolitical. If you take some time to connect the DOTs you’ll find the answer to the FREON debate as it relates to the Ozone layer.
It should be a dead giveaway that something smells fishey when political whores like Hillary and Gore use science to scare up votes for themselves. They’ll pander to any group of fools that will buy into their “sky is falling” rhetoric. Gore’s final comment of monumental stupidity was made a few years ago when he stated “The Sun has nothing to do with Global warming.” He was rumored to have made another grand asinine statement “Our greenhouse gas emission has become SO bad that we’re causing the ice caps on Mars to melt!”. I haven’t been able to verify that one, but it sounds dumb enough for him to have said. His dream is to become “Kiss my Ring, Carbon Czar” he’ll do, say and expound anything to further that end.
There was a movie that came out about a decade ago “V for Vendetta” It pointed out how a government drunk with authority and obsessed with its own self importance will go to extreme measures to maintain its hold and control over those it governs. The quote from that movie was “Let them never forget why they need us”. The movie further points out how a government will identify or CREATE a problem that only a strong central government can save us from. This is what the FREON story and the GLOBAL warming story is all about. About 2 decades ago several of my colleagues and I wrote a rebuttal exposing the first global scam “FREON”. We detailed, point by point, the con job the world was being fed. When we presented the paper, for publishing, to several of the major professional magazines i.e. Scientific American, IEEE Spectrum, Physics Today, National G and several others….We were met with the same response. It’s as if they were all reading from the same script. They didn’t argue with our science or conclusions, they simply stated “It’s NOT consistent with the current economic and political agenda”. ALL refused to publish! I’d be happy to post that paper on this blog site if I can figure out how to do that. In brief it points out the falsities and “slight of hand” of science to make the Earth saving Liberals case. WE point out that the major users of FREON are in the Northern Hemisphere. WE further point out that as a result of the Corrialas effect, at the Equator, any freon releases would be confined to the Northern hemisphere and IF there were to be a “hole” in the OZONE it would be at the North pole NOT the South. Ozone is an IONic particle, it’s attracted to fields. The strongest fields are at the poles. However those fields are in flux. Our magnetic poles are shifting. It’s the result of an instability at the equatorial line. Infact a “blob” of magnetic north has broken away and drifted into the southern Hemisphere. This has been well documented by the USGS at Bolder Colo. That foreign blob, about the size of Australia, is perturbing the uniformity of the southern field. It’s consuming the field around its margins to be neutralized thus reducing the greater field emanating northward. This has created a “hole” in the magnetic field and thus a hole in the Ozone. It has nothing to do with Freon. So, what’s the Freon story? There’s an old axiom that states “if you wish to seek the truth, follow the bucks”. ALL of Dupont’s refrigerant patents were coming to fruition in the late 80’s. How convenient for Dupont that one of its esteemed chemists came up with a formula that showed the existing Freon could destroy Ozone. BUT their “new and improved” and recently patented Freon wouldn’t. That made the old and now public domain freon untouchable and kept their monopoly with their new freon. This brief really doesn’t do the whole thing justice, but it’s a snapshot of the greater paper. The “climate change” scam isn’t all that dissimilar. Freon was the TEST platform to answer the question “can the entire world be scammed?” and the answer was YES.
OK, as far as this climate change stuff goes. There is plenty of dissenting scientist that the Main Stream Media keeps silent on since it does NOT fit their Narrative. That being said, maybe all the folks here should look for THEMSELVES at the Data collected. Not, just take the word of the Liberal Machine. I did so. And, guess what? I looked at the World Health Organizations web site about Ambient Air Pollution. And their DATA does NOT support the Liberal Narrative: ” The USA has the 2nd worst Air Pollution in the World. Nope! The USA’s Average Ambient Air Pollution in Microns Per Cubic Meter is 8! Thats Right 8 MPCM! Canada is 7, Mexico is 20. # 1. city is Zabol, Iran at 217 MPCM, 2. Gwalior, India – 176 MPCM , 3. Allahabad, India – 170 MPCM, 4. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia – 156 MPCM, 5. Al Jubail, Saudi Arabia – 152 MPCM, 6. Patna, India – 149 MPCM, 7. Raipur, India – 144 MPCM, 8. Bamenda, Cameroon – 132 MPCM, 9. Xingtai, China 128 MPCM, TIE 9. Baoding, China 128 MPCM, 11. Delhi, India – 122 MPCM, 12. Ludhiana, India – 122 MPCM, TIE 13. Dammam, Saudi Arabia – 121 MPCM, TIE 13. Shijiazhuang, China – 121 MPCM, 15. Kanpur, India – 115 MPCM. Notice anything about the TOP 15 Worst cities for Air Pollution? That is Right NO one is in the USA! Not even L.A.’s crappy Air is as bad as these cities are. So, why the USA is # 2 Worst Air Pollution Narrative? Simple to get us (The USA) to foot the bill for Air Clean up in China, India and other “Developing Nations”. Why should we? If RICH Oil Nations like Qutar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other OPEC nations are some of the worst polluters. Nope, I have no problem with doing things(Our Part) to improve the Air in the USA. As long as it is Voluntary, not due to some new EPA regulation or Carbon Tax. Americans will try to use cleaner energy. Not due to the Government sticking a gun to our heads, or stealing our wallets. We will use cleaner energy because it saves us money on utility bills and Gas for our cars. By the way Los Angles is 11 MPCM. And New York City is 9 MPCM. A Far Cry from the 217 MPCM in IRAN!
yes-yes–yes
It really does not matter what that “person” in the WH does or doesn’t do. The earth is warming and unless each of us does everything that comes to mind to help the planet, it will be over for the generation born by 2050. We ought to do as much as we can for them, not for the sake of that stupid, stupid, stupid old man who thinks he knows everything, but apparently knows nothing. Oh, well, his money will not help his grandchildren live good lives because no one will be living good lives.
Amem, Amen!
I have been on this earth for 70 plus years and have seen and smelled the abuse of industry on its cities and people. The fishing streams and lakes that I enjoyed as a kid are gone to pollution. Hunting for game is harder due to over hunting. I find trash all over the beaches and along the stream edges. Who is responsible for that? Can’t eat the fish they have high levels on mercury. The coal and oil sludge that went into the rivers have killed all of the eco system. Why are there so many dry lakes? Why are you drinking bottled water? The oil spills have done the same. The coal fired plants all over the world are emmiting gasses into the air along with the earth emmitting gasses from volcano’s above and below the seas. Which falls as acid rain. Will you wash your hair with rain water, as we did years ago? The earth has had changes during it billions of years. This earth will turn into a Mars, if the atmosphere is compromised. The persons that say that all of this is a hoax. They will not be alive when all the clean natural resources are gone. Their future generation will be wearing gas masks and fighting over food and water. Nation of Z will come true. My point is when we turn a blind eye to the problem it will bite all of us. Good luck to you who think that jobs will return by eliminating the EPA Rules. Sell the coal to 3rd world countries so they can pollute their people and the air. Right!
Mars has NO atmosphere because its metal core has stopped rotating thus killing its magnetic field. The same field that deflects the solar winds. Its atmosphere was since stripped away by those solar winds. Get your science right Dude. You’re just what the Liberal machine is counting on. Perpetuating a totally misguided myth.
Eliminate EPA and clean power plan. Eliminate those who Obama hired during his 8 years. Concentrate on what will make the country strong again with coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear etc.
I think we need to do whatever we can to save this incredible earth. Pulling out of the Paris accord is an awful idea.It sets a scary image of what our country can do. We all need to work to save our planet even if eventually goes away due to climate change. I cannot think about what our children and grandchildren will have to face. Especially if we do nothing.
To think that man is in control of the climate is to think that man is above God. God is in control of our earth. We may damage it but we do not affect the climate.
CO2 does not affect the climate in a measurable way. It is a hoax. There is no benefit to reducing our “carbon footprint.” It was all dreamed up by the UN “climate scientists” during the Kyoto conference as a means to get the First World to transfer wealth to the Third World, and the plan is working. Al Gore has actually made several hundred million dollars on the scam, not just a few million. American coal-fired power plants have been forced for decades to add more and more pollution control equipment, and they have complied. Coal-burning today is nothing like it was 20 years ago, and that is a good thing. There is no need to shut down the coal industry. Solar and wind power can never replace standard power plants because the wind is not dependable, and the sun only shines during the daytime; batteries would help but that doubles the price tag; and since the entire developed world is totally dependent upon a reliable, constant power supply, it is imperative to utilize all forms of power generation. As a number of nations have learned the hard way, alternative energy supply is very costly, and most are returning to standard power plants. Do not be fooled by the zealots who insist that the seas are rising, polar bears are dying, hurricanes are increasing, etc. It is all part of the hoax….the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind. It is truly The Big Lie. None of the predictions…..not even one….of the “climate scientists” has come true. The hoax has been outed, but the media continues to ignore the truth. Do the research and you will discover that it is all a scam.
You’re exactly correct in your assessment of the situation.
Nice Job!!! Well said, I agree the people spreading the global warming garbage are peddling lies and ignore that fact that over 1,000 international scientist disagree with the IPCC and can show evidence that there are natural cycles including earth rotation wobbles, geomagnetic pole wandering and the magnetic north pole has been creeping northward – by more than 600 miles (1,100 km) – since the early 19th century, when explorers first located it precisely. It is moving faster now, actually, as scientists estimate the pole is migrating northward about 40 miles per year, as opposed to about 10 miles per year in the early 20th century (NASA.Gov). Polar movement and shift is real and is one factor behind the extreme weather and ice cap shift; melting in one area building in another which adds to the wobble and modifies sea currents, salinity and storm formation. I’m all for protecting the planet but base our action on facts not propaganda and fiction. The coal industry is good for America and the World. Again Great Job Bob
Climate change/global warming and other brain washing are just excuses to increase taxes and further control us. Weather has been created since the 1950’s and there are currently 15 governments which control the weather world wide. Check the geoengineeringwatch.org web site to learn how our weather is CREATED and CONTROLLED. Read Elana Freeland’s book “Chemtrails, HAARP, and the full spectrum dominance of Planet Earth” and Peter Kirby’s book “Chemtrails Exposed.”
WOW, lady….get a grip! You’ve been reading too much science fiction. Here’s a dose of reality. The amount of calametric energy required to make one small self respecting storm cloud would require the collective resource of every power plant in the northern hemisphere. I understand your intentions are honorable and your concerns are real, but you clearly have little to NO scientific background and understanding of the real issues. Again, you’re the perfect example of what the Libloons are looking for and pandering to.
Of course not, is the best answer. Who in thier right mind thanks that NOT protecting the eviorment is ok.
Climate change is real. Coal is the dirtiest of all fossel fuels & so far no one has developed the technology to make it clean. EPA is the Evi or mental Protection Agency. It is here to protect the Enviornment & all of us. Clean energy is good & will create more jobs then coal ever could & it won’t kill the workers. Remember Black Lung desease? The coal industry has not been good or fair to it’s workers or to the states where it is mined. The vast majority of the money from coal, oil & gas in the US has gone into a realitvely few pockets of very wealthy people. The money did not help most of the people. The resources were taken from the people & very little stayed. Some of the poorest areas have had the richest resources. Other countries, like Norway, have done a much better job of ensuring that all the people of the country benifited from the resources removed from thier country.
I say he’s definitely doing what he needs to do to protect American businesses in a misconstrued climate Theory. First of all, no one denies that we have to reduce our carbon footprint. However, climate change is a natural part of our planet’s evolution that’s been happening for millions of years before we humans got here and will continue millions of years after we’re gone. Aside from that, advancements in technology have made energy production from fossil fuels much cleaner than it was even just 10 years ago, and continues to advance. We can utilize fossil fuels for energy production without destroying our planet, and utilizing and natural resources in our country will greatly benefit our economy, which we really need right now!
Al Gores climate change or The Green House effect has made him several Million Dollars and has cost the U.S. Government $ 1.7 Billion a year and Science has proved their is NO Green House Effect. Good for Trump!!
the new jobs in industry will not be there due to automation (as industry leaders only think about maximizing profit).
and ecology will suffer. so will your grandchildren.
just another empty promise from 45.