Top 3 Chinese EMP threats
When I read a Washington Times article (see link below) about China building electromagnetic pulse weapons that they might use against Taiwan – and also against the U.S. if we’re there protecting Taiwan – I was shocked to learn that this phenomenon was actually discovered 50 years ago.
The article says, and I quote, “Portions of a National Ground Intelligence Center study on the lethal effects of electromagnetic pulse (EMP) and high-powered microwave (HPM) weapons revealed that the arms are part of China’s so-called ‘assassin’s mace’ arsenal – weapons that allow a technologically inferior China to defeat U.S. military forces.”
Seriously? If this is a legitimate weapon that could be used against us, why are we just now finding out about it? Why has this been hidden from the American public? Does the U.S. have those same kinds of weapons, and if so, are we prepared to use them? Please read this article right away and meet me on the other side:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/21/beijing-develops-radiation-weapons/
Frank’s Top 3 Threats
The way I see it, the top three things we need to be worrying about here are:
- China could attack our aircraft carriers near Taiwan with EMPs.
- China could directly attack the U.S. mainland with EMPs.
- China could force us to respond with nuclear weapons.
What do you think? Would China use EMPs and HPMs against us if we were protecting Taiwan against them? If so, what would stop them from using it against the U.S. mainland if a war accelerated? And if they did use these weapons against us, should we have a nuclear response? Let me know what you think.
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I am at heart an incurable optimist. I am disabled by multiple sclerosis but I wake up every morning thinking, I’m alive. It is therefore a glorious day. But in one area I am profoundly worried about the human race. We read about scattered militias forming and we hear about children killing each other with guns left laying around. We read about things like this and say, well, it won’t happen. They’ve had those dang things for 50 years and they haven’t used em so they won’t now. And those silly militias aren’t gonna do spit. My terror is this one: Someone out there that we’ve dismissed as a nut case is going to move and one thing they’re going to get control of is the button. They’re going to put some raw recruit on that button and say, if we lose, push it and pray. Well, raw recruit wants to be sure he does his job well, so his finger hovers over that button. He waits for the yell saying, we won, Son! Come on up and party! He hears a yell and he thinks the yell was, Son, they’re wining! Push the button! He pushes his and they push theirs and the other ones push theirs and the human race passively dies out. I wonder when we’ll start taking all these scattered stories seriously and demanding that some elected official get off his dead butt and do something about it! And when we’ll elect officials who will do something about it. Isn’t shutting down the government and endangering the lives of America’s poor called treason? Isn’t taking away food stamps, unemployment and free education for poor children, and watching them die, called treason? Something has gone horribly wrong in America and I’m not going to rant and rave about it. I’m simply going to wonder if we will go quietly like lemmings to the sea, never having realized that the monsters under the bed are real.
A nuclear response to an EMP attack? SURE! We’ll deliver it by HAND, since all of our delivery systems electronically dependent. That’s a really DUMB question.
Gil, what’s really dumb is to be ignorant of the fact that we have delivery systems that can survive EMP blasts.
An old former military EAO, recon and intel officer
Sorry bud, we have nukes in many places including subs that cannot b attacked by a
emp
The National Geographic has an e-book about the EMP. I also have a post on my web site that explains the phenomenon and its implications. Unlike the “Times” it has some scientific credibility behind the analysis.
I’ve got an entirely different take on this. For the most part all the comments that I’ve read talk about all the damage that this weapon will do, and it is all true, but it has been true for years! There is nothing new about this technology. Men have been looking for and finding (for that matter!) more and more effective ways to kill each other since Caine first slew Able! Hell, we’ve got people on our side who spend day and night, every waking hour trying to figure out how to kill people in more inventive ways than ever before! We’ve, (and everyone else for that matter!) got enough nuclear weapons, along with the Russians and Chinese, the British and Indians, ( from India) and several other nations, to destroy the earth at least one hundred times over, but it hasn’t happened, anyone want to take a guess as to why?
Try this one on for size, the counter response would be so destructive and deadly, what would be the point! All I ever hear is Obama, Obama, Obama, (I’m not an Obama fan lets get that out there first!) but even under his administration, operators are still in labs trying to figure out how to kill men more effectively, the Navy is still training navy seals, Fort Bragg is still training Special Forces, and My Beloved Marine Corps are still trying to drown Marines who want to wear that coveted “Scuba” emblem, better known as Force Recon! OOO RAA!!! Barrack is just passing through, temporary resident. I look at my nation as a huge Battleship, she can take a hit, hell, she was built to be able to take more hits that any one administration can deliver! (the Founding fathers saw to that.) The real problem is an electorate that would give us a President Barrack Obama, that’s the real problem, he’s like a hurting arm that nothing seems to make feel better, then on further inspection you find that the arm is broken! He is just the pain. Fix the break the pain leaves. To blame him is akin to blaming the pain, the real problem is a broken, “dumbed down” electorate, that thought electing a “top-down big Government Socialist” was a good idea! (twice mind you!) Back to the weapon issue, suppose some nation like China did initiate some action, what would she gain, my guess is she would gain a nightmare of epic proportions, she could not imagine in her wildest Communist dreams! They would lose that invasion force immediately if not sooner! There are 330 to 350 million people in my beloved US of A, and by latest estimates about 300million GUNS! (that won’t be affected by an EMP burst!) WE are an armed population! It would be like entering a hornets nest!!! (Hell they’ve all got stingers!) What good would it do them to come here and be chewed to pieces!! I am fifty years old and even I for God and Country would have my old ass up at night hunting them! Pointless coming after us Militarily, despite what some may think, at present even with PBO at the Helm we are still the deadliest MFers’ on the planet! Killer is part of our DNA, and an EMP burst won’t change that…
Thanks Dwight for your service to our country and your intelligent observation of this situation regarding EMPs. Also your belief in Fortress America. If we can solve the problems of low intelligence voters and eliminate parasites America can become even more than she already is
Read the novel “One Second After” by William Forstchen with prologue by Newt Gingrich. It gives a realistic, but not so pretty, picture of life after an EMP. Contains valuable information that could save your life.
I’ve heard of the electromagnetic fields, and the damage they could do. Right now, I don’t think they are much of a threat because China would lose all those trillions of dollars we owe the, but who knows, the world is getting crazier every day
Wow! The intelligence of your audience is very impressive. Anything that I could add seems inadequate.
Obummer is the Manchurian candidate communist Muslim agent. That makes him Chinese secrete agent. 30 years ago I predicted that china will ship us a time released bio tec poisonous substance before they attack America. Obummer is setting us up as pigeons for an easier take over by the communist. He has fired our top generals and making our military weak and helpless. He has replaced them with candy ass puppets.This is his mission as the Manchurian candidate. The Russians will be part of this mega scheme. Janet Napolitano signed a deal with the Russians for 15,000 troops to arrive in America We are being set up for a mega Pearl Harbor and Our Military is becoming as helpless as a new born baby. We and our congress sit by and just stare and do nothing. All Aircraft carriers are being tracked and the enemy knows exactly where they are night and day. The life span during war time their life span will be minutes. China has aircraft carriers much larger than ours and their life span will be minutes also. O bummer will set up our fleet for a major mega Pearl Harbor for sure. As far as Nichols Tesla gose Arco oil owned by David Rockefeller stole Teslas Tower patents. It was built in Long Island to capture all the electricity from the 100 electric lightning strikes a second from around the world. This tower was going to capture that electricity and spread it wirelessly to the public. The Rockefellers would lose to much money and bankrupted Tesla. Because of this the Tower was taken down. There is a Museum at this sight today. I guess you can Google the tesla museum on long Island. And to close with a gem by the Rothschild’s. And the great body of the people mentally incapable of comprehending will bear all this without complaint. Take care grasshoppers.
Knowing and predicting all this are you also a grasshopper to on this huge North American island??
I THINK THEY SHOULD KILL THAT OBAMA OR GET RID OF HIM , HOLDER AND THAT SOURCE, REID, POLICKE.Y THAT WOMAN WITH ALL THE SMILES. ALL THOSE DAMN DEM. . OTHER WISE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WAR IN USA
And then there is the other question. When is the secret service going to start taking death threats against the president seriously?
Research the documentary “soviet strategic threat” produced in the early 1980s. That was the first comprehensive research into the strategic and tactical vulnerabilities of the U.S. From several threats including EMP. Pres. Reagan began the program of hardening military communications and cmand and control through the use of fiber optics. (Which are unaffected by EMP). Warships and many military installations and support units are “hardened” against EMP. As in any conflict, it is the civilian populace that will suffer far more then the military units.
Contrary to panic articles espousing total destruction of out way if life, there are simply precautions to take to protect your electronics. Most integrated circuitry will be damaged or destroyed during an EMP event AS LONG AS IT IS CONNECTED TO POWER WHEN ILYHE EVENT OCCURS. EMP is of ultra short duration. The longer the conductor, the more power will be directed into electronics. Therefore, power lines that stretch for miles with increase the surge into your Electronucs at home. If you happened to be standing in a ta toad track at the time you stand a good chance of being killed. But standing on the ground ( where there is no large conductor) you will be unharmed. Same goes with circuitry. If it is off and disconnected, it stands a good chance of being undamaged. Even modern vehicles of disconnected from the battery will survive an EMP.
The modern day Babalon in New York is very busy turning good into evil. The Tesla discoveries were
meant to give citizens free Electricity with the use of the Electromagnetic field. The greedy corrupt governments couldn’t tax that system so they took
that knowledge and turned it into an evil force.
Read the Book “Angels don’t play this HAARP up there.”and the newer books PLUS Jeanne Mannings
book on Zero Energy.Note what has been done to lower the Ionosphere to disorient humns & animals.
The US has known about EMP a long time back to the cold war. Migs were using tubes in there electronics instead of transistors. So buy a vehicle from the 1960′s or early 70;s that has points instead electronic ignition. TV could have tubes but you will not get any thing due to all stations will be off air.
every thing that was invented by Tesla was grabbed by our goverment snd kept secret
That is the very reason why Antonio Tesla was blacklisted by Thomas Edison and J P Morgan.
Ha ha ha
Frank: The U.S. may have a number (over 200 is rumored) of EMP sites. They may go under the project names of HAARP and DHAARP.
While strategically it seems like a fine idea, and if you read enough Tom Clancy, the threat is plausable, and in all probability these sorts of things will occur in the world against the little guys like taiwan. We need to understand that the U.S is one of the largest importers of Chinese made products. Manufacturing in China is cheap so exports are a large part of their economic base. Such direct attacks on US installations or directly against the US would never happen or not be claimed because economic sanctions by the U.N. would cripple the chinese economy. This will cause them to play chess not checkers, such as the Queens Gambit; getting russia or N. Korea to do their dirty work to distract and draw an attack in a smaller theatre, meanwhile playing out a longer game elsewhere like with Iran and Isreal. Wars are fought for resources and positioning. Be careful the Chinese are known for saying one thing and doing another….
Absolutly if they attack the mainland id support nucin the commi bastards
Interesting topic with some lively posts.
First lets start with some EMP history. By the way, if we ever get hit with any EMP at high altitude, you can kiss modern life goodbye. Everything wired, under power or even connected to the power grid will be dead… FOREVER!
Read below, and catch website address at end.
Earliest History Information provided by Jerry Emanuelson, B.S.E.E
The fact that an electromagnetic pulse is produced by a nuclear explosion was known since the very first days of nuclear weapons testing, but the magnitude of the EMP and the significance of its effects were not realized for some time.1
During the first United States nuclear test in 1945, electronic equipment was shielded due to Enrico Fermi’s expectation of an electromagnetic pulse from the detonation. The official technical history for that first nuclear test states, “We can understand the difficulty of transmitting signals during the explosion when we consider that the gamma rays from the reaction will ionize the air and other material within hundreds of yards. Fermi has calculated that the ensuing removal of the natural electrical potential gradient in the atmosphere will be equivalent to a large bolt of lightning striking that vicinity. . . . All signal lines were completely shielded, in many cases doubly shielded. In spite of this many records were lost because of spurious pickup at the time of the explosion that paralyzed the recording equipment.” 4
During British nuclear testing in 1952-1953 there were instrumentation failures that were attributed to “radioflash,” which was then the British term for EMP.5, 6
High-altitude nuclear tests in 1958 were the first indication in United States testing that high-altitude EMP could be more than 1000 times as intense as low-altitude EMP. The first reported instance of this unique high-altitude effect was in the 1958 Hardtack-Yucca test. The EMP results of Hardtack-Yucca were so different from the expected results that the data was apparently dismissed as an anomaly. (See the Hardtack-Yucca discussion below.)
The high altitude nuclear tests of 1962, as described below, increased awareness of EMP beyond the original small population of nuclear weapons scientists and engineers. The larger scientific community became aware of the significance of the EMP problem after a series of three articles were published about nuclear electromagnetic pulse in 1981 by William J. Broad in the weekly publication Science.1, 2, 3
Starfish Prime
On July 1962, a 1.44 megaton United States nuclear test in space, 400 kilometers (250 miles) above the mid-Pacific Ocean, called the Starfish Prime test, demonstrated to nuclear scientists that the magnitude and effects of a high altitude nuclear explosion were much larger than had been previously calculated. The detonation time was July 9, 1962 at 09:00:09 Coordinated Universal Time, (which was 8 July, Honolulu time, at nine seconds after 11 p.m.). The coordinates of the detonation were 16 degrees, 28 minutes North latitude, 169 degrees, 38 minutes West longitude.7 The actual weapon yield was very close to the design yield, which has been described by various sources at different values in the very narrow range of 1.4 to 1.45 megatons.
The Thor missile carrying the Starfish Prime warhead actually reached a maximum height of about 1100 kilometers (just over 680 miles), and the warhead was detonated on its downward trajectory when it had fallen to the programmed altitude of 400 kilometers. The nuclear warhead detonated at 13 minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff of the Thor missile from Johnston Island.9
Starfish Prime also made EMP effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometers (898 miles) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link.7
Starfish Prime was the first successful test in the series of United States high-altitude nuclear tests in 1962 known as Operation Fishbowl. The subsequent Operation Fishbowl tests gathered more data on the high-altitude EMP phenomenon, especially the Bluegill Triple Prime and Kingfish test of October, 1962.8
The EMP damage of the Starfish Prime test was quickly repaired because of the ruggedness (compared to today) of the electrical and electronic infrastructure of Hawaii in 1962. Realization of the potential impacts of high-altitude nuclear EMP became more apparent to some scientists and engineers during the 1970s as more sensitive solid-state electronics began to come into widespread use.
The relatively small magnitude of the Starfish Prime EMP in Hawaii (about 5600 volts/meter) and the relatively small amount of damage done (for example, only 1 to 3 percent of streetlights extinguished)10 led some scientists to believe, in the early days of EMP research, that the problem might not be as significant as was later realized. Newer calculations7 showed that if the Starfish Prime warhead had been detonated over the northern continental United States, the magnitude of the EMP would have been much larger (22 to 30 kilovolts/meter) because of the greater strength of the Earth’s magnetic field over the United States, as well as the different orientation of the Earth’s magnetic field at high latitudes. These new calculations, combined with the accelerating reliance on EMP-sensitive microelectronics, heightened awareness that the EMP threat could be a very significant problem.
As late as the 1980s, some distinguished scientist published articles which cast doubt on the magnitude of the E1-EMP. Those scientists did not have access to some critical classified information that has subsequently been declassifed. This primary mistake that these scientists made was apparently a large underestimation of the coherence of the pulse. The initial electrons are knocked out of atmospheric molecules almost simultaneously over a large region. The electrons then spiral almost simultaneously around the Earth’s magnetic field lines. This results in a very narrow pulse of extremely high field strength, but one that last for less than a microsecond. Each high-energy electronic emits only a very weak pulse, however a typical nuclear weapon produces about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ten septillion) of these high-energy electrons all spiraling around the geomagnetic field lines simultaneously.
Operation K, including Soviet Test 184
See the separate comprehensive and referenced article covering The Soviet Nuclear Tests in Space over Kazakhstan.
Non-nuclear history
The concept of the explosively pumped flux compression generator for generating a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse was conceived as early as 1951 by Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union,12 but nations have usually kept their most recent work on non-nuclear EMP highly classified until the technology was old enough that similar ideas were widely conceived by physicists in other nations. There are a number of different types of non-nuclear EMP generators, but all of them have extremely limited range compared to nuclear EMP.
The Understanding of the Unique Aspects of High-Altitude EMP
Little is known about the history of how scientists in the Soviet Union came to an understanding of the unique aspects of high-altitude EMP. There are indications that the Soviet scientists, like the United States scientists, took a long time to completely understand the high-altitude EMP phenomenon. One of the first open scientific publications about nuclear EMP was by the noted Russian scientist Aleksandr S. Kompaneets in 1958. 13
Kompaneets theory was assumed to be accurate by many people who did not have access to the actual classified data until a 1964 report by Victor Gilinsky of the Rand Corporation pointed out a number of significant errors in the Kompaneets analysis.14
During the United States Starfish Prime nuclear test, the Soviet Union stationed scientific expeditionary ships in the Pacific near the Johnston Island launch point and at the southern conjugate region (at the opposite end of the geomagnetic field line from Johnston Island) near the Samoan Islands.15 In addition to general scientific data gathering, the Soviet scientists obviously gathered valuable data in preparation for their Operation K high-altitude tests that were carried out over Kazakhstan three months later.
A little-known fact about the sky in the conjugate region (the opposite end of the geomagnetic field line) is that immediately after a high-altitude nuclear detonation, there is a flash in the sky at the conjugate region (which is hundreds or thousands of miles away). This light can become a long-lasting aurora in that distant location.
In the United States, it was five years from the time that the first data on high-altitude EMP was obtained until an accurate understanding of that data was made by Los Alamos physicist Conrad Longmire. The Nobel Prize winning U.S. physicist, Hans Bethe had published a classified, but erroneous, theory of high-altitude EMP in 1957. Although Bethe’s theory, which was basically an extrapolation of what was known about the EMP from a low-altitude nuclear airburst, was seriously called into question by actual 1958 data (and was conclusively proven wrong by the results the the Operation Fishbowl tests in 1962), Bethe’s original 1957 paper remains classified secret/restricted data. Hans Bethe was one of the most brilliant physicists of the 20th century, but his high-altitude EMP paper was a very serious error. Bethe’s theory underestimated the magnitude of high-altitude EMP by a factor more than a thousand, and caused considerable difficulties in obtaining actual high-altitude EMP waveforms in subsequent high-altitude nuclear tests.
A number of high-altitude nuclear tests were performed by the United States in 1958. None of the actual E1 waveforms (with measurement scales) from those tests have been declassified, but some important descriptions of the measurements and equipment have been released for the Yucca test of Operation Hardtack.16 Two other later 1958 high-altitude tests from Operation Hardtack, Teak and Orange would have produced a much more significant EMP since they were 3.8 megaton tests (using the W-39 warhead on Redstone missiles) at a much higher altitude than Yucca; however there were numerous problems in getting the data from Teak and Orange, and apparently EMP data for these test were not obtained except for very distant effects (but very large effects) that these larger explosions had on the Earth’s magnetic field. These geomagnetic effects were many years later designated as the E3 component of nuclear EMP.
Declassified portions of the films of the Operation Hardtack high-altitude tests are available on the internet, and those films include other information about those high-altitude tests.18 Video of the actual balloon launch of the Hardtack-Yucca test begins at 3:52 on the film.
The first actual high-altitude EMP data came from the balloon-launched Hardtack-Yucca test.
According to report ADA322231 (ITR-1655):
The project provided a platform for a nuclear device and measurement instrumentation at a pressure altitude of 85,000 feet (16-1/2 millibars) by means of a large plastic balloon. The original plan called for a development program based on a pay load of 600 pounds and a floating altitude of approximately 90,000 feet. The actual weight was increased in small increments to a final weight of 761.5 pounds, with a corresponding decrease in altitude to 85,500 feet. The balloon system was launched from the deck of the USS Boxer (CVS-21). Prior to reaching ceiling altitude, the nuclear device was separated from the balloon a distance of 568 feet by a hydraulic load lowering device, and the measurement instrumentation was additionally deployed along a nylon line at specific intervals totaling 3,000 feet below the nuclear device. Both the load lowering device and the instrumentation deployment system were developed by the project. Because of the support nature of the project mission, this report does not contain weapon effect data.
It is concluded that the large, plastic, constant volume balloon vehicle provided a stable and reliable platform for the very high altitude nuclear detonation, Shot Yucca.17
The canisters in the illustration above are instrumentation canisters. The illustration is from page 200 of the preliminary Hardtack I Report.
In order to assure that the launch of the helium balloon and the complex payload would go as smoothly as possible, the USS Boxer headed in the direction and speed of the surface winds at the time of the balloon launch so that the relative windspeed on the deck of the ship was negligible. The balloon carrying the nuclear weapon was released at 1125 local time. The balloon climbed rapidly. It reached 7,000 feet (2.1 km), in 7 minutes and 12,000 feet (3.7 km) in 15 minutes. When the balloon reached an altitude of 40,000 feet at 1206 local time, a barometric safety switch was tripped to arm the nuclear device.19
The balloon reached its target altitude of 85,000 feet (26 km.) at 1253, which was one hour and 28 minutes after launch. The balloon maintained that approximate altitude while final preparations for the nuclear detonation were made, including a delay because one of the RB-36 aircraft was out of position.
At the planned pressure altitude of 85,000 feet (26 kilometers), the 1.7 kiloton W-25 nuclear warhead was detonated at 1440 local time (mid-afternoon) on April 28, 1958.19 The operation required 3 hours and 15 minutes from its shipboard release until the nuclear detonation. The nuclear weapon weighed 218 pounds (99 kg.); and the total payload, including instrumentation, had weight of 762 pounds (346 kg.).
Attempts were made to photograph electromagnetic pulse waveforms on the islands of Wotho (northwest of Kwajalein Island) and Kusaie (one of the Caroline Islands). Successful measurements were made at Kusaie, although the waveforms shown in Figures 10.1 and 10.2 in the unclassified report have been deleted. The Operation Hardtack I report contains the following description of the measurements:
Shot Yucca (see Figures 10.1 and 10.2). No data was recorded at Wotho for this shot because of technical photographic problems. Several camera shutters did not open. Trace intensity was, in general, too low for proper recording. Also, field strength at Kusaie indicated that deflection at Wotho would have been some five times the scope limits.
All scopes at Kusaie triggered, and the signal was recorded. The wave form was radically different from that expected. The initial pulse was positive, instead of the usual negative. The signal consisted mostly of high frequencies of the order of 4 Mc., instead of the primary lower-frequency component normally received (Figures 10.2 and 10.2). The fact that Shot Yucca was a very-high-altitude shot may have provided a more favorable propagation path for the higher frequencies that were recorded.16
The Yucca EMP signal was also horizontally polarized, instead of the expected vertical polarization. This means that it was more easily picked up by a horizontal antenna, rather than a vertical antenna. (In the above quotation, Mc. is the abbreviation for the now-obsolete term Megacycle, which is now called Megahertz.) The much higher-frequency components of the Yucca E1 high-altitude EMP meant that the energy was somehow being concentrated into a very fast-rising narrow pulse. Calculations have shown that the area covered by the Hardtack-Yucca EMP should have been within a radius of approximately 350 miles (565 km.) from ground zero.
Many non-scientists still argue that EMP requires multi-megaton weapons. That first indication of the dramatic effects of high-altitude EMP, however, was obtained by a weapon of only 1.7 kilotons launched by a primitive helium balloon in 1958.
Since the recorded EMP data from the Hardtack-Yucca test did not conform to the accepted EMP theory of the time, the Yucca EMP data was generally ignored until after the 1962 tests of Operation Fishbowl had shown general agreement with the Hardtack-Yucca data, and had proven the earlier theory of high-altitude EMP to have been dramatically incorrect.
For those who wish to see a short video of the actual balloon launch from the USS Boxer and the subsequent high-altitude detonation, the video is now available on this web site in Microsoft Windows Video (wmv) format. The video is just 95 seconds long and is a 3.5 megabyte download. The video is at:
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/Yucca.wmv