Tired of being pushed around by the feds, some states think they’ve found a way to beat the big boys from Washington.
As President Obama has made clear in both his dictatorial actions and his State of the Union address, he doesn’t care how many laws he has to break to get his way. He promises that he will continue to ignore Congress and take as many executive actions as he can get away with in order to accomplish his agenda.
He’s undoubtedly been thinking about how history will view him, and when he’s old he doesn’t want to sit around reading about what a failure he was. So, he wants to put together at least a seemingly impressive list of accomplishments. Knowing that little will happen over the next three years if he has to depend on congressional approval, he vows to just go ahead and bully everyone around him to get what he wants.
Well, two can play this game. Little by little we are seeing states taking actions against two of Obama’s pet projects: ObamaCare and gun control. Leaders in these states – including South Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, Tennessee, West Virginia, Texas, Alabama, Florida and others – realize that federal law takes precedence over state law, but they’re using an interesting strategy to get past this problem.
The federal government can pass all the laws that they want, but in reality, they are dependent upon states to carry out the implementation. The feds just don’t have the manpower and the resources to ensure that their laws are being carried out in every state.
So, by refusing to enact the laws set up by the feds, some states are basically saying to the feds, “If you want these laws enacted, come on down and do it yourself.”
Several states are already working on using this tactic in regard to ObamaCare, basically nullifying the healthcare legislation within their borders. And now Florida is trying the same thing when it comes to gun control. The Second Amendment Protection Act, introduced by Representative Dan Eagle, declares that no agent of the state may assist the federal government in the enforcement of federal firearms laws.
The federal government could decide to march into Florida to enforce these gun control measures, but if another 10, 20 or 30 states follow Florida’s lead, there’s no way the feds could even come close to enforcing their laws.
Do you think a strategy such as this could be effective against the federal government and its attempts to destroy the Second Amendment? Would you support your state if it made such a move? Please chime in on this important topic.
I think that America has become top heavy this the Government not being for the people but for the politicians to line their own pockets It has made it hard on anyone who has to work for a living. I am 57 years old and still have to have two jobs just to get by.
eight steps to a socialist government (please google). My father and grand father fought World War II to stop a socialist state (God rest their soles) to keep us free.
Only step left is taking away our guns, which O and Clinton are working very hard on. We the people (with our states) must not let this happen. At me age I will join my forefathers to keep this from happening for my grand kids sake.
Yes I would support my state to take the power back to the people! We have an out of control president who is a fascist and a congress and senate who only care about how many bribes they get and screw the people who elected them. Then there are the ones who pull all the strings behind the curtain…global elitists who should be put in jail!
The founders, who showed much more wisdom than today’s power hungry politicians and their puppet masters, had grave concerns of a powerful central government as evidenced by the 9th and 10 amendments and the defined powers given to the three separate, power balancing branches of government. What we are seeing today is the fruition of those fears in its stark reality. Liberty cannot survive such tight control over ‘We the People’ who authorized and by which legitimate government derives its limited powers. Had the citizens maintained a well rounded working knowledge of this nation’s history, founding and constitutional content, it would be highly likely we’d be in these present circumstances and the admiration of Alexis de Tocqueville for our citizens’ working knowledge of our political system might still be justified and government would not be as able to get away with the things they do and our armed forces would be more unwilling to obey unconstitutional laws.
On the above comment, since I can not edit it now, the term ‘highly likely’ should read ‘highly unlikely’ …apologies
not to worry – the content of youe comment is fully understandable regardless of the unintended faux pas! thank you.
Anything to put a wrench into the cogwheels of the Government. I’m in. Virginia has a liberal Governor right now but our State House and Senate have begun blocking his unlawful acts.
They need to remember that when Obama calls martial law and goes after the guns and won’t leave office.
If you don’t want to put down what i wrote, i would appreciate it if you didn’t put down any of it.
i will support the state of TEXAS to the best of my ability
The states are supposed to have the power, 10th Amendment.
I’m all in on taking back power from this treasonous government. O should be impeached for his failure to uphold his pledge to the Constitution of the United States of America. He will definitely go down in history as the most shameful president in history.
YES! YES! YES! Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES, YES, and YES !
I would be proud to support
My state
Yes indeed as long as our state of Florida stays with the Constitution will make it all the way God bless
I would back any person or state that would go against the Federal governments laws and regulations. This is a critical time in our History of freedom. I also think that the schools and colleges should go back to teach ing the younger generation about how we became free in the first place. If you ask 90% of the younger generation about our struggle to be free they would have no idea. 90% don’t even know what our Constitution says or stands for. I just wish that all the states would ban together and fight back. And yes I am a past Veteran.
Further I believe it to be very important that All American citizens have three votes to keep our government in check. We have the vote at election time which most everyone knows about and pretty much understands. Also we have two others which many do not understand how very important these are. The second is the vote of the Grand Jury. ONLY We the People cn enforce laws in America. We give permission for government to prosecute some one by way of voting yes or no when serving on the Grand Jury in our area. Always remember We are judges of the laws as well as the subject matter. We must ask if the law is fair and applies to the person. Is it a good law or a bad law. We can void that law by refusing to indict that person therefore refusing to enforce said law and thereby rendering it null and void. Any one who has evidence of a crime can go before the Grand Jury and present such evidence. It is then the duty of the Grand Jury to determine if the accused should be charged with violation of law. The third VOTE is our VOTE on a petite jury. This is the jury that is used to find out if some one is guilty of a crime. In this case We must again judge the law as being fair and just and a bad law or a good law. If the answer is yes, then we must see all evidence against the person and decide if the person committed the violation of law he is charged with violating. After all is considered We vote yea or nay. By so doing we keep everything in check. A law is no good when it cannot be enforced. Because of so much lack of Knowledge we lose our rights and our country. We do not really need more laws we just need to understand our duties as citizens and do the duties correctly. You can always look up laws by google to actually read the law. Always remember to read the definitions of who the law applies where it applies and What it is written for- its purpose.
One last comment from me: Everyone needs to vote in the presidential election. PLEASE research every candidate and do NOT elect a RINO. Some of us worked so hard to get a majority of Republicans in office and look what we got, a bunch of O loving wishy washy demos who act like they are Republicans. Please research every candidate and if they have a history of voting with the demos, do not vote for them. We have learned the hard way, that many in government are not in it for the right reasons and betray us.
Amen to That Linda
The President was sworn in with his hand on the Koran (not the Bible) to protect us, which is meaningless in morals and values because everyone knows that Muslims can lie, cheat, steal and kill to further their beliefs and conversion of people to Islam. Furthermore, there is no secret that he, his cabinet, and Hillary, want a socialistic, marxist country (belief in Alinski indoctrination), with a dictatorship and people having no freedoms.
It is out there for all to see but no one will call O out on any thing he does, including congress. They are giving all their power to the executive branch without a wimper of protest.
Anything that works
Bravo for passing this strategy on to readers.
Obama is the most hated man ever in the presidency. Who voted for him?
Well, my state (California) is already doing a good job (sarc) of ignoring federal immigration law. Why wouldn’t it work for other issues?
While the leadership of CA is predominantly to the left and I doubt it would act against the O administration especially re: the 2nd Amendment, I believe that civil disobedience on the part of states as well as individuals is more and more called for, particularly in view of the recent affront to religious liberty perpetrated by the Supreme Court. The powers-that-be seem perilously on the brink of believing they are entitled to dictate the minutiae of our personal lives and even our thoughts.
I hope and pray that a deluge of people will wake up and realize we have been pushed too far, and will demand leaders who will reverse the fundamental decomposition of America begun by the O administration.
And that history will recognize O’s legacy as one of shame.
We need to stop Obama now! He is a traitor. Wants to destroy our country.
Go for it States. This president has made and continues to make his self-declared end run around Congress and the Constitution with seemingly no consequences to himself and his cohorts –only bad consequences for fellow Americans whom he is suppose to protect.
Congress appears to do nothing to protect their power.
Yes, I would support my state in taking such a stand. The USA was blessed with a good Constitution that should be upheld.
I believe Obama made it clear in his campaign speech that he wanted to fundamentally transform America. He never intended to follow the constitution. He took an oath that he would. How many lies has he told?
These United States. State equals sovereignty. Needs to be asserted.
Please Read a very lengthy Document entitled Federal Jurisdiction within the States. You can google it. It was ordered by President Eisenhower in the 1950 s. The document was researched by every State Attorney General and the Federal (United States) Attorney General. They determined what Jurisdiction the Federal United States has within the borders of the individual States. It explains everything in detail. Part 1 mostly tells about the land of the Federal government (United States) within the individual States. Part 2 shows the lawful Authority of the United States (Federal Government, created by the States and We the People There are three definitions of the Term United States google it. We the people must always remember that the United States is 10 miles square and its enclaves and other territory such as Quam, Marina Islands Puerto Rico, etc. Wherefore Congress must ALWAYS define to whom their laws apply. They must always define the terms of their laws. We have State Legislatures who pass laws for our States which apply within our borders. Congress makes laws for its Territories and enclaves. So their laws apply there only.. or in interstate NOT INTRASTATE. Always Read Definitions of laws and terms. When searching terms in laws google it as legal definition. Remember in school we were taught . The Federal Government is ten miles square. Jurisdiction is Authority. and in this case covers ONLY land borders. and subject matter such as COMMERCE wherein there is inter and intra State. google these definitions. THE FEDRAL GOVERNMENT LAWS DO NOT TRUMP STATE LAWS. Sometimes if it involves commerce of interstate. or the Feds have made some offer of monies to the States (Grants) and the State takes the Grant then the FEDS have authority over the areas of where such grant goes. such as grants to schools to educate its citizens. This is explained in the foregoing mentioned document. Learn to free yourself from the Feds only after you read the foregoing mentioned document.
I LIKE IT!
Go States! It’s about time! I would support my State in this endeavor.
YES, YES, and YES !
I support the effort to rid the fed gov of it’s taking too much authority.
Declaration of Independence: ____”that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights__life liberty and pursuit of happiness___that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it”
Would support my State of it ignored Obama? Hell, I’d take to the streets and fight any enforcement effort by the Feds!
Unfortunately for me, I live in socialist New York State, with a corrupt Governor, and the armpit of Hell, a.k.a New York City.
I’m looking to leave NY because of it’s socialism. The only thing holding me here is my 11 yr old duaghter.. If I can get custody, I’ll leave in a flash!
Nobody knows for sure when it will happen, but WWIII is on it’s way! Laugh if you want, but you’ll be sorry when these things come to pass.
If the feds come to Georgia and try and take our guns and freedom away. There will be bloodshed. We in Georgia know our rights according to the second Amendment. There is open carry and we don’t need a license to purchase a firearm. If the feds want our guns, I say I’ll give it to them starting with the bullet first.
May God Bless you Jack! If ya got a spare gun, I’ll stand by your side sharing the bullets!
its about time that the southern states ban together and as far as christians not breaking the law, just study history, christians have no problem with that when it comes to what is right. but if you think that this will be settleled by legislation you are wrong, it has gone to far and it is time to follow in the foot steps of our founding fathers and become more like them and the type of men who fought for texas independence. the time for talk is unfortunately over and its time for more drastic actions. as for me i would love to see texas and the other southern states leave the union, we don’t need the marxist government or want them.
I’ve been preaching revolution for the past 15 years! It’s about time people started thinking about it! I’m with you. We need a revolution in this country, or just shit up and act like sheep. Unfortunately, too many people are apathetic.
Change is ineviaible. Maybe a Constitutional Convention is in order to better reflect the realities
of the times. And like the current Constitution a new one will not be perfect but suck-it-up for the peace and unity of a great people.
Lol! If the Feds come to Georgia, every grandma is carrying. They’ll have a real hard time. It will be guerrilla warfare and they won’t be able to tell the bad guys from the good.
Frank,
I can tell you how to stop all this bullshit – everybody – I mean everybody stop paying their taxes. This will do it.
Good luck on that. First hurdle is the Millions of Obama Lovers. You could get them to stop paying their taxes if there was a Republican in the White House. Next is Millions of Christian believers who wouldn’t break a law if their life depended on it! I am a Christian and I know. Half of the population doesn’t pay taxes anyways and Corporations are on Obama’s side.
Richard, I don’t want to say this, but, you’re wrong. If you file a tax return and get all or most of your taxes back, you are NOT a taxpayer! It’s only the corporations and uber rich that actually pay taxes, and they’re the ones controlling this mess!
I would support any moves by my State or any State that uphold the laws of our Nation and the Constitution.
The federal government has already gone too far. The USA was founded based on states rights and its high time the states started using those rights and stop putting up with all the BS coming out of Washington, D.C. and elsewhere.
I support the move in Florida and any State that pushes back against the Federal Governments abuse of power. Wish Illinois would follow suit, but sadly, the once proud state of Illnois has been ruined by the liberal Democrats who have held power for way too long.
The People can acheive anything, even reclaiming their Constitutional Republic, but it takes one thing UNITY!
Without that, the People are nothing more than serfs and economic slaves to the Ruling Class Elitist and the Two Headed Party of Washington Decit.
The problem we have in United States for the last three
or four decades how many of our people ever read the
Constitution and the Amendments. Most veterans of
US Armed forces support and defend it with there life as I and my two sons have with one still in the Army. People must get together and defend for all.
I’m with you Denny. I’m a disabled Vet. !AND! I read the constitution and ALL the amendments. I seem to be very alone in this regard….
People need to attend Tea Party meetings to learn about the Constitution and our Bill of Rights. That’s where I got a copy and keep it handy to read often. They also often have speakers who speak on this. When it comes to our freedoms, believe me, the South will rise again.
I think by just answering this question puts you in thier crosshairs…..loose lips sink ships. Operational security folks…… Use your head before commenting. Come on now…and Frank, you should know better than to ask folks to sound off on this. Not in these days and times. We are too close to some event to be so candid. Just saying…. Anyone agree?
Mickj –
We can see that you’ll never be mistaken for a ‘John Hancock’!
Oh Micky you’re so fine…..NOT!! I STILL have freedom of speech! I’m not trying to incite revolution, I’m just telling people that their wimpy ways will never work. I’m rather die a hero for freedom, than live as a slave to the one world government.
Seems to me FL has lit a spark that will become the raging fire known as the 2nd Revolution. I just have to laugh at how all these “other “states are trying to be what we were back then
Frank, what scares the hell out of me is the feds possible use of our own state national guards against us. we fight most of the feds wars any way (national guard0, What will happen when they send our own people, friends and relatives against us. Did you know they already changed the state oath of enlistment. When I enlisted it was “I swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies both foreign and domestic.” My son told me it now says “to obey all orders given by those in authority over me.” If this is true, we are already screwed. I for one will never go against MY OATH and will protect my Constitution with my life and my sacred honor. God Bless My America!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hear ye, hear ye. It’s not a right nor is it just a whim to protect and uphold our US Constition, it’s our obligation. I’ll feel bad for the feds if they try to come to Texas. The general consensus here is ‘less governance’ and more like ‘self governance’. Self governance is a lot less damage to our own well being than just allowing this ‘hostile govt.’ to force it’s own agenda onto us. “If it’s not good for me, then it’s not good for my country.” A “Republic” like the U.S. is meant to be a strong foundation on which we can build freedom of choice. Congress has picked up right where george w. left off. He and his cronies are still making so much more money off this middle-eastern conflict they’ve imposed than any of them and their families could ever spend in many generations. Fighting for freedom HERE on our soil is the direction we need to point ourselves and our well-intentioned youth. It’s starting to look more and more like a “Bolshevik Revolution” is on the horizon. May God help us all! I’m 57 yrs old and have served my country since I turned 18. I had no illusions that it was my obligation. My Father fought, in WWII for the very rights we’ve been giving up by not taking a more active part in our government…..just by voting at a ballot box or voting with our hard, earned dollars. That’s easy enough….isn’t it? I guess not judging by the mid-term election turn outs.
Hey Jeff,
A Yankee here from NH. Trust me, there are many folks from up here ready to take a stand with any American to take back our government. I always vote. I consider it a privilege. NH is home to the Free State Project. Lock n Load, my fellow American citizen.
I WILL SUPPORT Tx IN THIS FIGHT AGAINST THE TYRANNY WE ARE FACING WITH OUR PRESENT GOV’T. & THEIR ATTEMPT TO TOTALLY CONTROL US WITH THEIR DRUGS & RIDICULOUS LAWS. SEEMS WE THE PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHTS GIVEN TO US BY OUR FOREFATHERS; FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS & THE RIGHT TO LIVE FREE & RAISE OUR CHILDREN WITHOUT FEAR OF STATE OR GOV’T INTERFERENCE. i HOPE ALL STATES JOIN IN ON THE FIGHT & GET OUR SENATORS TO PULL TOGETHER & IMPEACH OBAMA WHILE RUINING HIS NAME AT THE SAME TIME. HE NEEDS TO BE REMEMBERED AS THE PRESIDENT THAT DIDN’T GET HIS WAY BE RUNNING OVER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HE’S TAKING ON MORE THAN HE’LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE IF WE ALL STICK TOGETHER & FIGHT BACK.
Florida’s refusal is indeed appropriate. However a more positive approach is the repeal of the 17th amendment that took the Senate away from representing the state to representing the people of the state. Then each state government can have a direct voice in the federal legislation. Remember that the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments. A President would then take notice of the collaboration with the States. Then the USA can be again a union of the states.
starting with george bush senior and his ideas of a one world government, then Bill Clinton with all the free trade agreements, i remember newspaper articles saying people are starting to like chinese made products more. fact was there weren’t too many things to buy that weren’t made in China available. then Bush Jr. and amnesty to the illegal workers for cheap labor. Now the Obama dictatorship. we need a house cleaning in washington beginning at the top. impeach the president before he can do more damage and get rid of the spineless members of congress who refuse to do the right thing. do away with free trade agreements that cost U.S.CITIZENS so much. Put an import tax back and let the world that looks to the U.S.for support help pay for the help. Put the excess profit back in place. have you ever thought about how long it would take to spend fortunes of up to $75,000,000,000.00? Thats 75 billion or even 1 billion which many people have at this time. The first baseball player to be awarded a 20 million contract Made $ 174.00 dollars per hour 24 hours per day 365 days per year. stop supporting these things and perhaps things will improve. The politicians aren’t going to do anything about it we have to. You can make a difference, but you may have to refuse the Pittance they want to give you while supporting the rest of the world
I would love to see Michigan do this too.
Amen Larry, we need a complete housecleaning in D. C., as you said “starting at the top.” Congress people who have been there over two terms need to be gone and a new group, with new ideas needs to be in. But impeach any and all who do not uphold our constitution. Also do away with the law they passed, to use their salary as a pension, after they leave office. They can work on their retirement like the rest of the idiots do. We have the largest group of dumb people now we have ever had in this country. Is this the result of the last 20-30 years of education??
Yes, I will support my state in such action for 2nd Amendment, Obamacare, etc, because the 10th Amendment say all powers not designated to the Federal Govt. is “reserved to the States and the people”. IF it is not a power delegated to the Feds, or is otherwise unconstitutional, the states can ‘nullify’ it by refusing to accept and enforce it.
The House has the power and, if it had the backbone, could refuse to fund any such unconstitutional action by the Executive or Judicial Branch because those two branches have NO POWERS granted to the to make any laws as they both are and have been doing.
It is my understanding that an “Executive Order” is only a way of the president stating how he would like something to work. Not an actual this is the way it is and if you don’t like it tough. Correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. But he can write orders until he is blue in the face, but they are not laws only ideas.
Mark, that power was given to the President to use to manage his Departments in their enforcement of existing laws passed by Congress and Signed by the President.
The Constitution gives the Congress power to make laws NOT the Executive Branch, which is charged with the enforcement of passed laws.
This is what Wiipedia has to say on the subject.
United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to certain Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1] Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging 72-hour length strikes on enemies, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes.
BOOM!!! I’m going to drop some knowledge on you folks. I just learn to what extent our government has gone to; to make sure that they maintain some form of control over its citizens.
All of you out there, and yours truly, thought that the Constitution of the United States of America will always be upheld and honoured by one and all. Well, I am sorry to say this is not the case.
Check this out: Posse Commitatus Act, Title 18 U.S.C. ( United States Code) Section 1385 was used following the Insurrection Act of 2006, Title 10 U.S.C. Chapter 15 section 333 [whose name has been changed to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order”] Congress recently amended the Insurrection Act, a federal law which allows the President to deploy federal troops within the United States, in the event that state authorities are unable to maintain the rule of law within their own borders.
During the Hurricane Katrina event of 2005, the White House reportedly considered invoking the Insurrection Act in order to send federal troops into New Orleans, but ultimately declined to do so. Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco did not request such federal intervention. The original Insurrection Act required the President to seek approval from state legislatures or governors before deploying soldiers, except in cases where: A localized breakdown of authority has made the enforcement of federal laws “impracticable”; or any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy “hinders the execution of the laws of that State that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law.”
Recent revisions to the Insurrection Act have added new criteria that can trigger unilateral Presidential troop deployments, including: natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States ” that results in a breakdown of local law and order.
The Insurrection Act is an exception to the Posse Commitatus statute, which forbids the use of military assets in domestic law enforcement, except as allowed by the Constitution or an act of Congress.
What does this mean? The Posse Commitatus Act was used following the Reconstruction after the Civil War in 1878 in order to prevent any future Presidents from using the military to execute the laws. However, the Insurrection Act gives the President the authority to use the Armed Forces to intervene when the State Governments, fail, refuse, or neglect to protect “the legal rights of its people.
Furthermore, our Government also passed the National Defense Authorization Act, (NDAA) Sections 1031 and 1032, [it declare the unconstitutional right to detain Americans indefinitely without trail, but it authorizes an (Internet offensive and online Pentagon Takeover under the pretext of Cybersecurity and Stopping online piracy.] In short our Government just threw the Constitution and all the building blocks that made this country great out the window and ran it over with a bulldozer.
President Obama, under an executive order called the National Defense Resources Preparedness, (NDRP), sets himself and future Presidents with Presidential dictatorial powers over the nation and the American people whenever he chooses to implement it. This executive order is related to the Defense Production Act of 1950, written as a result of the Korean War. This order makes it clear that the Nation need not be at War, or threaten with aggression by outside forces to be implemented. The order specifically states that it may be activated in peace time.
All actions of the Order are ultimate controlled by the President. In this case, President Obama has appointed the National Security Council and Department of Homeland Security, (DHS), Security as the “integrated policy making forum” for all Order policies.
This Order also states that all commerce will be conducted according to the demands of the President. All “services, materials, and facilities” may be commandeered by the President “as deemed necessary of appropriate to promote the National Defense. . .”
Also, emergency preparedness mandates of President Obama’s Executive Order will be carried out according to Title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief Act. Managed for years by FEMA, this ACT is known for its creation of “Temporary Housing” facilities for displaced persons also known as FEMA camps. This Martial Law that can be evoked at any time, for any reason and we can’t do a damn thing about it.
You really have to look at each word individually to truly understand the various meanings of that word. For example “displaced persons” it could mean people that are displaced due to a natural disaster or the homeless, or even undocumented aliens. The government has tried to cover its bases for any and all contingencies without any regards to its citizens or the people that live in this country. I do believe that we have been cheated out of our rights by our own government. The United States Government just treated us like they did when they took the lands from the native Americans. Are you going to let this happen? Research this for yourself, get the word out there and start to make these changes. Our Representatives voted for it; they allowed it to become a law. We need to make some major corrections and damn quick.
You only forgot one thing, the american indians have more rights tha the American people, and we pay for almost everything on an Insian reservation through the deparment of Interior, and they get to keep all their tax free profit from their businesses. In time of crisis the Feds will do what they wish, thquestion is will the National guard even show up in the more outlying cities and towns.
Greyguy, from your statement one comes away with the fact that you are jealous of the “American Indians.” Are you upset because the U.S Government pays for everything that is on the reservation? Or is it because they have tax free status?
With all due respect i suggest that you spend some time – say a year on an Indian reservation and walk a mile in their moccasins. Then tell me and the rest of us how great it is living off of the government tit.
There is a reason they have a tax free status – they are onto themselves a Nation. That is why the U.S. Government when into a treaty with each and every Indian nation to acquire land, territory, and everything in between, both above the ground and beneath it. What these Indian Nations did not want to surrender to the “Americans” the U.S. Government and its citizens took by force. We alter a culture through our own standards on so many levels and we haven’t stopped yet.
Now that the Supreme Courts have finally recognize that each Indian Nation is a separate entity onto itself and has the right to determine its own destiny as it sees fit with their own laws and regulations. Since it is not apart of the United States of America but lives within the recognized country of the United States of America; every Indian Nation can own and operate its own industry as it sees fit, free of State and Federal laws and regulations. This is why some Indian Reservations have casinos operating on its lands. There is even an Indian Reservation that supplies the Government with jet fuel and diesel for truck drivers by hosting its own truck stops. There is another still that has a paper mill plant and others still with mining on its reservations. This is a far cry from the scrub land and desolated desert they were once banished too. Unfortunately there are places that still haven’t change and do in fact are desolated patches of desert with noting to do or with the ability to make any sufficient changes to their way of life to make a difference. There are social issues that plagues these reservations and its citizens. They still lack the basics that we take for granted, like running water, electricity and decent housing with good schools to send their children.
So grayguy, please take the time to see the other side of the coin and choose your words a bit more closely, otherwise some might think you are something that you are not; or are you?
Hmmmm….this is an interesting thought but it will take some courageous folks at the state level to keep from cracking under the federal pressure that will surely follow. I support this idea, but personally don’t know if we have the politicians who have the long-term intestinal fortitude to do this type of thing. Remember that a majority of voters brought President Obama into office. Not only once, but twice! I believe the voting majority knew what he was all about and still voted for him! The liberal agenda is very powerful at this time in the U.S. Our own governor in Oregon is so weak-kneed he refused to O.K. a state prisoner’s request to be put to death, and cried when giving his reason for denying the request, even though the prisoner is a murderer! Then he proceeded to waste over 150 million hard-earned Oregonian dollars on the Obama Care website fiasco. I don’t believe he would sign on to this idea of bucking the Federal Government nor would most of the other Liberal Governors.
I believe we understand the socialist agenda of our current President. That in itself is troublesome but I believe the REAL threat to our country is the Federal Reserve. The Fed has enabled the spend then hide politicians (both Democrat & Republican) to bring us to our knees by the manipulation of our money supply and enabling “smoke and mirror” methods of spending without accountability or consequence by the “leaders” of our country and the states. The big banks are complicit in this fraud as well. How many bankers have gone to jail after our last financial meltdown? Make no mistake about this: the U.S. is bankrupt. Most of our good jobs have been outsourced or eliminated. The “great recession” is really the “great depression recycled,” and it is still progressing. We are probably at 35% unemployment right now (unemployed, underemployed, folks who have given up looking and those classified as unable to work) and are surviving only by deficit spending. Go in any grocery store and watch how many people are using their “government tit” welfare card. You can’t blame them as they’re just trying to survive. There are no jobs for them. Look at the older dinged-up cars with bald tires and cracked windshields those folks are driving if they’re driving at all.
The Federal Government is not trying to “save” civilians from gun deaths. The powers that be are trying to grab the guns to prevent our citizens from exercising their constitutional right to “alter or abolish” the current government. I for one do not condone this but the current officials know what kind of horrific economic calamity is coming. They’re scared, and they should be. Only the Lord knows what will transpire in this country. It ain’t gonna’ be pretty….
So tighten your belt, save as much gold and silver as you can, fill your larder as full as possible and keep your second amendment tools as clean as you can and near you. Also pray that we elect a new president and Senators who will put America and her hard-working citizens first, honor our Constitution and traditions and bring livable-wage jobs back to our country by simply changing the tax codes that favor the mega-corporations.
Ted
Yes Florida join
I hate that this country has to choose between remaining the USA as we knew it….or morphing into a socialist utopia post christian pro muslim country where freedom of speech and religion are regulated..
I say FIGHT now
I am an American citizen and my oath has always been to God and my country, (with our Constitution and Bill of Rights). When these are abused by the tyranny of the government, I will still stand for God and my country and I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, not to a Muslim dictator and his cohorts in crime. Every citizen should make the same promise even moreso if they are military, ie: National Guard.
Speaking for myself only, I refuse to become upset by the direction of the political wind. I will comply with the constitution, as it is traditionally understood. If I am “legislated”, into being an outlaw, I will fulfill that requirement. But my FREEDOMS, will not be taken from me. I would rather DIE first, and that is the ultimate FREEDOM.
I would definitely support the state in standing up for what is right and if that means standing against the feds on issues than that is what we all need to do.
The Feds have already used this same argument to stop Arizona state officials from enforcing existing federal laws on immigration. That was the state effort to attempt to determine an individual’s immigration status during a lawful stop when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant. The Feds told Arizona that only Border Patrol (Federal Law enforcement) was allowed to do that… So there is a precedent for state officials not enforcing federal laws!!!
I am a fourth generation Texan and I hate the bluster of idiots that talk about suceding from the U.S. When Texas joined the U.S. in 1845, we reserved the right to sucede and exercised it when we joined The Confederacy in the Civil War. Texas, along with the southern states were brought back into the U.S. under force of arms, at the conclusion of that war and bluster will not restore the right to sucede. I suggest we unite and toss the blood sucking political leeches out of elected office, cut the beauracracy to the bone along with the cradle to grave social programs and promote true independence, thru liberty and prosperity.
Secession is the best answer for us, it will be less bloodshed. We joined the Union for protection from Mexico. We need to secede for protection from the tyranny of the federal government.
Our liberals are in Dallas, Austin, and El Paso we know where they are.
The U.S. is almost a majority liberal, when the economy collapses those on welfare will burn anything for revenge. The liberals will be targets, the whole northeast and northwest will be in turmoil. Let FEMA deal with them not us. We don’t need labor camps in Texas to keep us from protecting our own…
Secession will help, other states will secede before us as in 1861…..
I agree w/ Rick. Their was a large # of people sign those petitions & that was only on the computer. It was not made available for everyone to sign if they wanted to. Problem is, if Texas succeeds what are you going to do with people like the Houston Mayer?
FL’s plan is a start. With a few partners , next door neighbers would would slow a few of the Fed responses. The Fed Gov big hammer will be $$, highway, Medicare,ect. Thier big trump card they always use is the interstate commorce clause… Help from the communist state of CT.
William. Texas wouldn’t need any federal money. All the fed taxes they were paying, would now stay in the state. I believe Texas could be the most self sufficient state in the US.
The states can refuse to accept any federal law that is Unconstitutional, such as gun control, obamacare, etc.
They can also use the 10th Amendment. The powers of the federal government are listed in Article I, Section 8.
The 10th Amendment says any powers not specifically given to the federal gov’t. is reserved for the state or the people. So if it is not a specifically listed power of Washington the State can say ”NO’ that is in our power not yours.
This is a slippery slope my friends. Refusing to uphold fed law may win a battle or two but it will not win the war and will ultimately weaken our nation. We need to take the high ground and fight to change the laws rather than sit down and refuse to uphold them. This is the United States of America. This is our way. What will we become if laws within our borders are meaningless?
Chris, a better question is…What will we become if we constantly subject ourselves to unconstitutional laws? That will ultimately be an end to our once great nation.
Yes, this definitely will work. United we stand and win!
Thank Goodness there are some states that realize the fed is a dead stick! When ISIS comes I will be ready and they will with the golf swinging skinny puss at the helm, when an emergency comes I will be ready. You want to die wait for the feds to help you. Maybe they will recruit the illegals to help while we pay there bills.
States must work together to get back the power the Constitution guarantees! Not just for gun control but for property rights and to stop the EPA from passing regulations without Congress passing laws or the states having any say!!
I’m for anything that will go against the Feds $ benefit the states (that’s how it started out and that’s the way it should remain). WE ALL HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER no matter what.
I think it is a good Idea, if it can be made to work. Getting enough of other states to go alone will be a big challenge.
There are more red states than blue…..or perhaps that is where the illegals are going to try to change that. Makes sense unfortunately. But we can change the direction we just need to stand up and do the right thing. We will never have to apologize for it! Or have history rewritten for us doing the right thing.
I think that the states are on the right track.
FYI: go to facebook.com and enter Ben Carson, then watch the video from the National Prayer Breakfast (and other talks) to watch Dr Carson rip into all the things Obama, who is sitting two seats to his right, has been doing to destroy our Nation. Watch Obamas expression as his talk goes on. Would I vote for Dr. Carson for President? YES!
The Muslim Communist is tearing down our country.
We need to take our country back before it is to late.
He is down sizing our military to a very bad strength.
That A——has destroyed our economy.
We need to do something now !!!
The state has the duty and the right to screen unconstitutional federal laws
I am glad the military has been cut by him. They are pissed off and rightfully so. They can become the people’s militia when things get crazy and we need them here to protect our country instead of overseas dying for people who do not want us there. We will survive. We are strong, not weak. And this mess just gives us an opportunity to change the direction of the country back to the constitution and get rid of all the binding laws that they cannot enforce. Thank them for being idiots. They will reap what they have sewn!
It would be very effective 1 If passed by a reluctant Repub Legislature. 2. Obeyed by some very anti-gun sheriffs and Police Chiefs. 3. not overturned as unconstitutional by a liberal FL Supreme Court.
FL Repubs killed a bill to allow residents to take their guns with them (out of their homes) during a hurricane evacuation!!!!!
Declaration of Independence: ____”that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights__life liberty and pursuit of happiness___that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it”
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People”.
The 10th Amendment already gives the power to the States. We all need to contact our governors and state legislators to let them know exactly how we feel!!
I agree and support any state that wants to stand up to the Feds, after all this is the United STATES of America not the Federal States of America, and some of you may remember when the Feds established a mandatory 55 MPH speed limit across the nation, Wyoming resisted and were threatened with cutting Federal Aid. Well if the Feds threaten to pull all Federal Aid then states should keep all Federal taxes collected within the state and put into their own budgets. I wonder if anyone has ever calculated how much Federal Taxes, Medicare, Social Security Taxes, etc. were accumulated by one state in one year and then determined just how much the Feds gave back to the state in the same time period?
I believe this is the only effective way for the conservative majority in most states to combat the evil being done at the federal level. Wasn’t this basically how prohibition was overturned way back when? My state, Alaska, is already taking similar actions for health care reform and protecting the 2nd Adm rights of its people.
Colorado has done just actually that in regard to marijuana and several other states have followed suit.
If marijuana, why not the 2nd amendment ande maybe a few other things as well.
i wish all of the states would follow Florida’s example. I will definitely support my state of Arizona, doing so.
Even if there were many states standing up against the feds, what would keep the feds from just punishing one state at a time? It seems like a system of states’ rights coordination would be needed.
I guess it’s a step in the right direction, though I think a statement of the state’s sovereignty, quoting the 9th, 10th & 11th amendments to the U.S. Constitution would be more forthright.
This is a very sneaky and immature way of handling the disagreement with the president…..but then again that’s a politician for you. Idiots
Disagreeing with the president !?!? Marie & Linda, you should do some ” FACT CHECKING ” before you call the rest of us idiots! You obviously have no idea what our Constitution or the Bill of Rights states. Obama & his administration disregard our Constitution. He thinks he can make laws, change laws, whatever he wants. I case you forgot where you live, THIS IS THE UNITED States of AMERICA, not North Korea or China ! People like you are a large part of why we’re in the shape we are in! Don’t get me wrong, you have the freedom of speech, which is guaranteed by The Constitution. Wonder how you would feel if you could not express yourself. That could be sooner than you realize. Remember this : ” IF CITIZENS ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP FREEDOMS FOR MORE SECURITY, SOON THEY WILL HAVE NEITHER.” EXAMPLE : NSA ( NATIONAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION ) is collecting & storing every text message, email, & phone conversation you make. That probably doesn’t bother Linda & Marie at all, huh ? Who is really the ” IDIOTS ” ?
Maria&Linda were born a little to late, If they were there in the late 1930s, they would be supporting Hitler.
YES I’d support my state in not complying with the demands of the government. I believe that states standing together is the main way to stop the government
Yes I agree on all states getting together, but will it happen??
Sure, The last line in the sand is the Constitutional County Sheriffs
rlandes, Just remember, county sheriffs are ELECTED also. I go back to ” WE THE PEOPLE.” We have to vote those sheriffs out of office. WE THE PEOPLE PAYTHOSE SHERIFFS SALARIES !!! If there are county sheriff’s who do not follow The Constitution, elect ones that do. Same with state legislators & everyone else on up the ladder !
If the Feds come to Texas to take the guns, we will secede and it will be all out war…. If that’s what they want, so be it…
If that time comes, the best hope is that many other states will join Texas.
Let me know when to meet you at the Alamo!