1.6 billion reasons to stockpile bullets.
Buying in bulk is usually a good way to save money. It’s also an excellent preparedness strategy. So, is the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) buying well over a billion bullets because it wants to save money, or is it because it’s been ordered to stock up for a potential period of unprecedented civil unrest? Or, as some others have suggested, might DHS be attempting to buy up all the bullets so that citizens won’t be able to acquire as many as they would like to have?
DHS has stated that the hundreds of millions of bullets it has purchased recently and the hundreds of millions of bullets it intends to purchase in the near future are necessary for federal law enforcement training centers across the country and for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Some people believe, however, that the government knows the economy will get a lot worse before it gets better, and that what has occurred in Greece and elsewhere will inevitably happen here. If that scenario plays out, DHS wants to be prepared as possible, and ridding the market of bullets is icing on the cake for its strategy. One radio talk show host called it an “arms race against the American people.”
I found this article on Fox News “Why is the Department of Homeland Security Buying So Many Bullets?”
One news report said that the number of bullets being purchased by DHS dwarfs the number of bullets used by U.S. soldiers during the height of battle operations in Iraq. Why do you think that DHS is making such large purchases of bullets? Do you agree with the official explanation that it needs that many bullets in order to train agents, or are there other reasons that are not being disclosed?
I don’t like that local police are being given the military weapons from Iraq and Afghanistan because if shit went to hell the would be overrun in hours and those weapons would be ours. The bullett purchases are scarier to me, especially with so much of my money tied up in stocks, bonds and retire,ment accounts.
You need to get your money outta paper and into tangible assets…Silver…Silver…Silver. You could wake up to,Moore with zip…good luck.
This is a copy of the letter I sent to my Congressman and Senators. To date no replay..
August 13, 2014
The Honorable Joe Donnelly
10 West Market St. Suite 1180
United State Senate
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Dear Senator Donnelly,
I am very concerned about the arms that are being distributed to different Government agencies and cities across our Nation. June 29 the South Bend Tribune ran an article (see attached file) describing the hundreds of millions of hollow point shells going to a number of different Government agencies. A few weeks later I read an article of the number of heavily equipped armored army vehicles equipped with riot gear and high powered gunnery. Then again, another article mentioning the number of bullet proof vests being distributed to the different agencies.
Are these purchases the direct order of President Obama or were they approved by Congress?
Are the purchases and distribution being overseen by Congress?
Why the purchase of hollow point bullets (over 1/2 Billion, That’s 550,000,000)? If they are to be used for target practice they are much more expensive then solid bullets. They cause excruciating pain before certain death if they are intended for murdering humans, otherwise what is their purpose.
The 2,700 armed vehicles are said to be used or surplus vehicles from the middle east wars. If this is the case why is there a five thousand dollar a year license for some of the weaponry supplied with each vehicle?
If we don’t have monies to support those patrolling our southern border, then why do we have billions to arm an unnamed army?
Thanking you in advance for your time and would appreciate your response.
Sincerely,
why does my mail man need all those hollow point bullets ?? Same with space people ” hollow point bullets in space “. With our rules service men can ” NOT ” use hollow point bullets in war. So would DHS use hollow point bullets on targets or USA people ?? We have allowed this ammo thing to happen by not firing those in office who are suppose to be our “employees” working for our protection and rights. Congress has allow our rights to be rendered useless. Is DHS going to be our home town enforcement agents for old car and trucks using swat teams and criminal warrants to evade our homes ?? This should get some congress people FIRED.
For those of you that don’t know, ours not just DHS that’s stocking up. Here in Tennessee almost all police departments have acquired war weapons from the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. These include military helicopters, anti-mine vehicles, grenade launchers, not to mention more service pistols and rifles than there are officers in the departments. All of this extremely cheap and, in most cases, free courtesy of the federal government. Now why on earth would small town departments need such things? It is not uncommon to see the police driving an fully geared Humvee on the road now and many own 3 of them. Look it up on channel 5 news in Nashville.
OMG my Momma was planning on moving back there close to her family in Rutledge Pike. I pray now that she stays right where she’s at! Bab….thanx for the 411
By buying up this ammo it keeps any of those rounds from the market place and w/supply+demand driving the prices up -will limit the affordability for folks caught up in this economic recession.
If they aren’t dumping it in the ocean as has been rumored, it will be warehoused for surplus sale when WE take the WH+Senate while keeping the House.
Well Frank there is info out there that the bullets DHS is buying a hollow points and for those of us that know guns we KNOW what that means! I’m still purchasing the equipment that I need to make my own lead bullets But I will share a lil secret I only recently learned about and BOY is it SNEAKY!!! Everybody has dental work done right? well did you all know that those little tabs that are placed between your teeth contains a thin layer of LEAD???? The dentist office sends them in periodicly But the dentist doesn’t make any money from this so if you ask the office or the dentist him/herself YOU can get them for FREE!!! and the best part is no government busybodies have to know!! Told You it was SNEAKY!!!!
craigmac77, I can’t determine when this post was written, but in May of 2014, ammunition prices for the military calibers have not increased by much, if any.
In today’s semi-auto market, prices of rifle magazines are dropping like bricks. Magpul pricing is a good example, as is Troy Industries.
Prices of .22 LR remain absurd. If you find,any, restriction apply to how many you can buy, and $.10 can be a bargain. Prices of the premium .22LR have blown through the roof. Someone speculated that production of .22LR has been scaled back to focus mostly on .9MM, .45ACP, and .308. That ammunition is priced relatively low and supply is bountiful (for now). This is amazing because so many citizens are buying in bulk and storing what they buy.
AK-47 rifles use 7.62X39 ammo which is mostly made by Eastern European countries. I’m surprised OBongo hasn’t already issued an executive order to ban their import due solely where they are made (sanctions anybody?) but millions of citizens own AK-47 rifles, and they would be very upset if ammunition supplies were cut off. We all know the game. Lie until the Mid-terms are over, and then show your hand.
Good point about the AK-47 ammo, Lloyd. Did you hear that he just issued an E.O. banning importation of all AK-47’s?
NJ Congressman: DHS must explain ammunition and armored vehicle purchases
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHsGEy-vfLk&feature=youtu.be
NJ Congressman: Tea Party helped stop DHS Ammo buy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBrVdpUROK8&feature=player_embedded
If the following are correct “The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.” “Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities.” Since 15 x 5 = 75 and 75 x 10 = 750, is it reasonable to expect DHS to conduct 10 times the amount of training? Maybe they want to train their own army when they expand it by a factor of 10?
When this first started, I upped my reloading efforts. Especially after the administration closed down the last lead smelter in the U.S.
I now buy the proper diameter steel rods at Home Depot. Instead of copper clad, I find it easier to melt down aluminum from beer cans and coat the shaped steel slugs. Works like a charm and has the added benefit that they will go through Kevlar like polyester.
Maybe the manufacturers of these bullets should refuse to sell to our government? That would solve everything and allow the American citizens to buy their products. Are the manufacturers in support of our second amendment rights or are they just greedy!
I read somewhere months ago that the government has first rights privilege’s on purchasing weapons and ammo over the civilian populace. Not sure if this is true though?!
Everything ive read has said the same. If the government makes an order it has to be fulfilled first before civilian sales. Someone correct us if we’re wrong…
As a rule in business in order to raise pricing and stimulate sales one will develop a shortage of material. I have seen this method work for the last 40 years in my business. If you think about it our government purchasing ammunition in such large quantities as destroy the normal supply of ammo makes no sense
in a free market place. The government can and does on occasion restrict production on product without the knowledge of we the people.
It is with dismay I see what is going on in this country and others as well, I have stockpiled ammo for several years now but was listening the other day to a former military person and he stated that they were being trained to confiscate any and all weapons whether displayed or not. Later when he asked why he was removed from the force and transferred I follow many stories on this subject and the subject of the FEMA camps being readied in this country. Here is a link to an interesting story on weapons confiscation and reasoning http://www.infowars.com/start-treaty-is-really-the-united-nations-global-military-regime-treaty/
You will as well find other interesting info at this site, I would be curious as to what information Edward Snowden ran onto that reveal more on these subject matters. I can’t just blame OBAMA as it appears this has been in the works for many years and involves many many people.
Hey Frank It’ your friend Stan. I agree with what you hve said but I must take exception to your comments. I am disabled because of my service to my country has left me with dieeases from agent Orange and other so called tactics used by our government. So I will get your food for a national disastear but I don’t appriate your comment about people who are disabled beacause I am not a dead beat and aand hope you can get past this obbession of people who are on disability are deadbbets
Thanks Stan
I for one am moving to Middle of Nowhere Texas just as soon as I am able and become as self sufficient as possible. I am going to plan on a fair amount of people coming to stay at some point ( those friends and family who weren’t ready when TSHTF) If the terrible times never come, so what, I’ll be healthy, happy and unstressed living under Gods beautiful heavens.
Dictators do not like well armed peasants!
This is related to the shortage. I was up in North Dakota on business. I had to go to one of the waterfowl refuges to talk to superintendent of the refuge. I had to wait to see him because he was out on manuvers. I waited for them to return. When they returned they all were in full battle gear. These are supposed to be waterfowl biologist not soldiers. They are part of the governments secret army. They will kill you for a paycheck and you know who is paying them.
This is shocking! I’m awake and aware, but I must say that I had NO IDEA that waterfowl biologists were included in this horrible mass maneuver to create a citizen army. All I have to say is the goobermint is not doing this to us… WE are! And if we want to prevent what can come of this, we must REFUSE to become involved in their citizen army. EVERYONE just refuse… no matter WHAT goobermint department you work for. If you refuse to participate (they can’t put ALL of us in jail or fire ALL of us). If WE band together against their draconian plans, we can save ourselves from them. The elite are outnumbered by us. Let us not take up arms against one another, for Pete’s sake!
No doubt their will be civil unrest which will likely result in revolution at some time in the future. It’s not a case of “if” its a case of “when” this will this occur and our Government is well aware of this. The Government feels that it has an obligation to protect itself, even if it feels that they must protect from their own people, so therefore they are storing up ammunition in preparation of the inevitable. Likewise, I feel that it is prudent for the general population to prepare for revolution. History has a nasty habit of repeating itself and we are close enough to the edge now that this 64 year old man believes that civil unrest now may occur in my lifetime. Like Boy Scouts motto, Always be prepared!
It seems that we I have been hearing the “we created the shortage with our panic buying” explanation for far to long. While it may have had some validity at the beginning that doesn’t explain why the ammo shortage continues to be a problem. Wouldn’t logic dictate that there has to be a point where Homeland Security has enough ammo or is this supposed to be like the supposed debt limit? There should be a point when the government ceases to be the overly dominate purchaser for at least some period of time. The only way this couldn’t happen would be if the government is using the rounds at approximately the same rate they are purchasing them. No one is saying this is the case. Now as to the .22 round shortage being proof that the shortage is consumer driven there can be alternate explanations. This shortage could be the result ammo companies dedicating their output to the 9mm, .40, .45 caliber demands of the feds. The shortage could be the result of the lack of these calibers to the public as well. After all, if you can’t buy ammo you want you will buy the ammo you can get. I would also expect that the number of folks that own .22 weapons would be huge. Also, the base for .22 ammo is probably larger than any other caliber as it is the round used by most children, (and novice women and men for that matter) as their beginning caliber.
I think we should note also that it is a time honored tactic that has been used by in politics for only God knows how long. This tactic is to simply accuse the person asking the question as being the source of the problem. All you have to do is watch the news coming out of Washington for a few days and you will have an example of this tactic. Maybe the “its our own fault” explanation would have held water for a few months but this situation has been with us for far to long now. It is time to explore some alternative explanations. But when you don’t have the media or their fellow politicians asking the question how can we expect to get some straight answers from any political system?
I read an artical last week. I read that HMS was going to destroy over a billon rounds of ammo, so they could lower the amount of ammo avaible. wasting our tax’s and then trying to dis arm us. lock and load.
The government’s just doing what I and everyone else has been doing — or trying to do — ever since Sandy Hook: stocking up on ammo. Contrary to asinine rumors going around, the government is not the source of the current ammo shortage, we are. (I’m in alignment with Patrick Hatfield’s posting: it can’t possibly be the government that’s bought all the .22 rounds at my local Walmart.) The government is doing the same thing any of us would do if we found a store with shelves full of ammo: stock up with as much as we can carry. *We* have created this shortage, not the government. We need to stop pointing fingers and take responsibility for the mess we’ve created for ourselves.
I was informed by two Walmart employees that work in the sporting goods departments of two different Walmarts, that it is the company’s policy to RESTRICT and hold back ammunition of all calibers. If you look at the various posted notices around that particular area of the stores, it specifically states that Walmart does indeed determine not only how much a customer can purchase at any given time, but in what calibers. A person can own any number of weapons, but if ammunition is cut off from purchase by ANYONE or ANY Organization/business entity, that is pretty much INFRINGING on your RIGHT to possess or carry firearms. It is a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment; yet it being allowed and NOT being challenged as it should be. I visited, during a trip out to my home state on the West Coast, the World HQ of Calbela’s, which is located in Sidney, NE. Sidney IS NOT a big city by the way. When I walked through the store, I was amazed at all the ammunition they had in ALL calibers. I was told they had NEVER had any problems getting the ammunition and the same applied to ALL their stores across the country. I have not been able to verify this statement, but I do know I did visit another store within their chain of stores; during my trip and they also stated they had had NO problem getting any caliber of ammunition. Sot it does beg the question “WHAT GIVES?” I will also say that prices for ammo were about 20% higher than I had seen them before all this has taken place.
Hamburg pa store is short on many popular calibers all the time. This has been going on for at least three years.
I was a a big box sporting goods store recently, in which, there on display were a wide variety of handsome long guns. The guy said,” we have guns, but no ammo for them”.
It seems our weapons have been reduced to wall art.
Buying in bulk is a good way to alert the fed.
it’s also a good way to save money while making awesome profits if you are a dealer. In a country where so many have personal weapons….the person who has the ammo can charge whatever he wants.
I have questioned the availability of bullets recently. The price of 22 caliber bullets has more than tripled in the last 6 months. That is, if you can find any on the shelves at all. It is real hard to believe that the federal government is using 22 shells for our protection. In twenty years of military life I do not remember using a 22 for training more than once. And when was the last time any police or federal agency used a 30-30 or 30-06 for your protection. Just a question for the general public or anyone with a realistic answer.
The manufactures are shutting these lines down (22’s, 30-30, 30-06 etc.) to try and meet the “needs” of the government.
All of the big talk on washington about more aggressive gun control laws(banning of certain weapons/ clip size regulations, etc.)following all the sense less mass shootings has sort of a mass hysteria, causing gun owners and gun shop owners to start buy in bulk and gun and ammo prices to triple in prices or more.
This then cause people to start hoarding …either to sell to make over the top profits( a very smart business move) or just to have it for personal use. But to address your 22 caliber concerns, I can name at least 30 of my buddies(love shooting weapon ranges )who have conversion kits for their M4 or ARs to use 22 cal bullets and have spent 5-10 thousand each buying 22cal bullets. According to them the smaller caliber cost less and they can fire their weapon at most indoor ranges too.
There can only be two reasons that I can think of and they go hand in hand. 1. They want to monopolize the ammo and make it hard for patriots to purchase more ammo and to have to spend double if not triple for what ammo they can find and 2. They intend to have more ammo than patriots and general Americans and intend to use it against Americans if and when it’s necessary.
I pray that Americans are prepared both spiritually and in every other way because the Bible says we are seeing the end times.
All that they are doing is making people start to buy more ammunition than they will ever shot in a life time.
I have customers that a year ago would buy maybe a case of 22 ammo a year now they are buying a case a week when they can get it. and if the government tries to take over the people. the people will (and I mean ex soldiers and military now are going to wipe the white house clean.
If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly.
I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists.
God help us all if it ever does happen.
PS : Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan , grew up in Indiana , Illinois , and Texas , and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan . Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan . His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name “D.H. Garrison, Jr.”
Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison
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Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning.
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The ammunition shortage, as it is, is being created by the Federal Government. You might ask what this means- well, it turns out ATK and other manufacturers are being pressured into only selling to the Government.
In terms of the consumers brands that ATK owns and many of us use here you go: Alliant Powders, Blazer, CCI, Estate Cartridge, Federal, Outers, Simmons, Speer, and Weaver. There may be others, but this is just the ATK list I could find. Throw in the pressure on other manufacturers and you can see where we seem to be heading.
George Soros owns most of the ammunition manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He’s selling ONLY to the government right now, per WH & DHS orders.
My son works for ATK, who owns just about all the rest of the ammunition companies that Soros doesn’t own. He tells me that ATK has been ordered by the federal government to curtail sales of ammunition, primers and powder to the retail market.
What you see currently on the shelves is old stock and what’s left in the warehouses since the CT shootings and new stock will NOT be appearing anytime soon.
ATK and Soros’ companies have more than enough government contracts to keep them going for years to come. Like Soros’ companies, ATK is a huge defense contractor and they’ve been told to sell ONLY to the DOD, TSA, FBI, DHS and local/federal law enforcement agencies. This is VERY scary and VERY ominous for what’s coming down the pike in the future.
My son has seen the proposed pricing schedule for Federal, CCI, Hornady, Remington, Winchester and several other ammunition manufacturer’s lines of ammunition, components, reloading equipment (ATK owns Outers, RCBS, Hoppe and a host of others) and he’s flabbergasted!
As an example, when the sales of .22 LR bulk ammo resumes, the pricing will be over $50.00 for a 535-round Value Pak! That’s nearly a dime-a-shot!! They’re also going to raise the prices by 300 – 400% on dies, presses, powder measures and the like.
He’s in management there at ATK in Salt Lake City and they’re NOT happy with it at all! They firmly believe this will basically shut-down the civilian market while leaving the government as the only purchaser of their products.
He saw the government pricing for the centerfire ammunition they’ve been stockpiling and their prices have actually dropped from a year ago so the feds are buying this stuff REAL cheap while we can’t even get our hands on it at all!
Something I’ve always said since Obummer came onto the scene in 2008 is that, even if they can’t actually ban the weapons themselves, the government will make it nearly impossible for us civilians to feed them with ammo, reloading components and the like.
The WH doesn’t HAVE to actually ban the guns, as Biden said in one of his many faux pas, foot-in-the-mouth, Freudian slip speeches he’s famous for making. “All we have to do is to make it too expensive to use them and the public will eventually give them back to us if we offer an attractive price for these weapons”. What’s an “attractive price” – a $10.00 Walmart gift card for a $3,000.00 custom hunting rifle? Those were his EXACT words in one of the speeches he gave to the freshman congressmen last week!
Remember, Biden was one of the architects of the Clinton gun ban of years ago. I think he’s as dangerous to the Second Amendment as Bozo is, maybe more so, because he’s so stupid and doesn’t know the muzzle of a gun from the butt…
I doubt the NRA can do anything about it, IMHO. La Pierre can get on all the talk shows he’s invited to and cry the blues about the assault weapons laws that are forthcoming from the WH but the real crux of the matter will be whether or not we’ll ever be able to purchase ammunition (at all) or, if we can, what we’ll be paying for it.
As an aside, here, I deal a LOT with a large shooters supply for my reloading components. Two weeks ago, I ordered 500 cases each of .45 Casull, .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and 9mm Parabellum. I was told everything I had ordered was out-of-stock and no in-stock delivery date was being forecast. They wouldn’t even accept a backorder for this stuff! Think the government isn’t manipulating it?
Think again, my friend…
There are also numerous horders of ammunition who have a huge stock pile of 22LR and other sizes. There pigs need to stop hording and allow some of the rest of us to be able to protect ourselves too. My personal feelings toward thpose who hoard ammo in huge quantities are the scum of the earth wanting to make a fortune off others who are in the same shape as they were before they started to buy as much of the ammo they can. Greed is a sure path to destruction and hell, have a nice trip a$$ h***s
Well Jesus_is_kewl, I “AM” one of your a** h*** horders!!! I bought thousands of rounds of ammo years ago, one [1], when the price was very reasonable, and, two [2], because I could see even back then that the SHTF was a huge possibility. SO, if you missed out and waited like everyone else till the last moment I don’t feel anything except contempt for you and your “it’s all my fault” belief and trying to drive a wedge into and between us preppers. Additionally, for those that actually “prepped”, good for you, and to those that only gave it lip service, all I can say is, “we told you so”!!!! And by the way, have a good trip on meeting your maker as I’m sure YOU will be one of the ones that will be going door to door and demanding that your neighbor should help feed you and you will eventually run into one that doesn’t want to hear your BS and puts you down like a horse with a broken leg!!!, I on the other hand, will be postponing my trip till the ammo runs out, LMFAO!!!!! [and hopefully ridding this great country of as many liberals as I can in the process]
Obama is doing everything in his power to cause the destruction of America……because when that happens it will more than likely cause civil unrest and chaos…..which leads to playing the ‘martial law’ card…leading to weapons confiscation and the rest of the constitution going out the window…..The hollow point bullets are for us, those of us who are not compliant with accepting the ‘new world order’. This will all lead to Obama’s ultimate goal….he will become the dictator that he so longs to be.It is going to happen……….. unless more of our representatives will ‘grow some’ and put a stop to it before it’s too late…..We need more people like Rand Paul who is desperately trying to defend our constitutional rights……
How will Obama become a dictator? The few years he has left as president left is no where near the amount the amount of time to enact some “master plan” that will benefit him while in office…especially becoming a dictator. I mean, he could barley get a health care bill passed. Would some one planning on dictatorship or ‘martial law” cut our total military strength by 100 of thousands of soldiers? Maybe, I’m missing something but it doesn’t make sense to me.
I can tell you what makes sense….buying any product that you use a lot of in bulk at lower prices knowing that due to recent news events( think playground and movie theater shootings) have people and legislators pushing for stronger gun laws and ammo clips sizes which is continuing to skyrocket gun and ammo prices. That makes sense.
When sheeple are scared because the government has caused all kinds of fake emergencies and disasters and terror attacks, they will blindly follow the one who they THINK is the leader, straight into the abis and it will not take but a few tough months.