Rising firearms sales equals less crime in Virginia.
The misguided folks who wish to limit or eliminate gun sales believe that their efforts will result in less crime and gun violence. If that were true, we might actually have a legitimate debate on our hands. But the facts state otherwise.
These gun control advocates refuse to acknowledge that even if all guns were outlawed, bad guys would still obtain guns and use them for evil purposes. When repeatedly told that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns, they have no response. Their motto seems to be, “Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story.”
A recent article on the Fox News website carried the headline: “Virginia Gun Crime Drops, as State’s Firearms Sales Soar.” Of course, we didn’t see that story in the mainstream (i.e. liberal) media because that particular truth goes against their agenda to keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.
The article states that gun sales rose 16 percent to a record 490,119 guns purchased from licensed gun dealers in 2012, according to sales estimates obtained by the Richmond Times-Dispatch. During that same period, major crimes committed with firearms dropped 5 percent to 4,378.
Thomas R. Baker, an assistant professor at Virginia Commonwealth University’s L. Douglas Wilder School of Government and Public Affairs who specializes in research methods and criminology theory, was quoted as saying, “This appears to be additional evidence that more guns don’t necessarily lead to more crime.
“It’s a quite interesting trend given the current rhetoric about strengthening gun laws and the presumed effect it would have on violent crimes,” he added. “While you can’t conclude from this that tougher laws wouldn’t reduce crime even more, it really makes you question if making it harder for law-abiding people to buy a gun would have any effect on crime.”
In some states including California, stricter gun laws are coming. What effect do you think those laws will have on crime? Do you believe that gun control will reduce crime and gun violence, or do you feel it will actually make mass murders worse because no one will be able to stop a madman with a gun until law enforcement arrives on the scene? I’d really like to hear what you think about this subject.
If you want a concealed carry holster that is less “obvious” and less offensive to people that don’t like firearms… I bought an Urban Carry Holsters the other week and I love, you can’t even tell that I’m wearing it
Try using spell checker and grammar checker before you hit the send button. You will sound more intelligent. All newer computers have these programs on them.
Well seems no one gets it! It don’t matter left, right, demo, repub. 2nd Amendment or constitution! You must understand how the ruling class work! You must understand currency and it’s WARS!! You must know and understand that as of now our $$$ is the worlds trade currency! You must understand NAFTA, the Fedreal Reserve! How it works why we are in debt. The IMF and their standard drawing rights for each nation! Who ownes the stock in the Fed. The UN and what they REALY represent!! We must take off our blinders and see the entire big picture. The terrible chaos that is coming! Yes to us America!! You must know how and who REALY rules the nation states and our second I.E secret world government! The big picture of world domination. GUNS!!!!! Are to keep the people the goverent! But great delusional propaganda has so many blinded! You can see the times of the seasons and know when it is going to rain how is it you cannot see the sights of the times?? Being prepared is more than ammo and guns. Their propaganda they through out to us is foolishness, low crime high crime! BS… The parasitical eleat want to keep power and to have a free nation armed is a block to them. To rid us of guns like the so called other free countries will give them total control! Change the worlds currency after bankrupting us with a false flag lie race war; then stop all social handouts and let inflation rise? It will be 100times worse than Greece! Trust your pension? Your so called 401k? BS!! Trust in JESUS CHRIST!! And your only non ancilary weapons you have, your brains!!! Then guns bullets food water on and on we can go! I’ll fight for my freedom family and faith but I will not be put into a FEMA camp!! I AM Israel!!! This world iS going to pass away but thanks be to JESUS that I and my house shall be forgiven through faith in The Lord! I’ll die fighting the wicked! But as a Christian I fight not fleas hand blood but against principalities, wickedness and evil in high places..DB
My mother at 92 wouldnt join AARP because she had a gun under her bed and the AARP are against the NRA.
Do not forget we southeners can hide behind trees like pilgrams did when the people tried to take America. As a woman I have right to carry and will use it if someone tries to break in. My husband served his country, his city and his family before he passed away and the NRA was very important to him.
I was, and I did say “WAS” a member of AARP, until I got my magazine one month, being a member of the NRA, and that is a “LIFE” member, and I found out that they didn’t support the NRA or the 2nd Amendment. So no longer a member!!!!!!
Of course it does. The states who have gotten smart and made the concealed carry under the second amendment (no special permit required) have found that reduces crime the most. Arizona’s crime rate has gone down every year since it was enacted. Now a total of five states do the same. I think there will be more this year.
When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.
In a perfect world, we would not need guns. There would be no crime, no murders, no shooting massacres in malls, movie theaters or schools… No war over resources, territory or ideals. And certainly no unjust government either foreign or domestic… In a perfect world.
Until that day comes, we need guns. And training so we know how to use them. And WISDOM so we know WHEN to use them. It is our last line of defense for our self, the defenseless and this country.
A recent quote from prez Obama when speaking of Islam: “No religion is responsible for terrorism, people are responsible for terrorism.” That’s exactly right Mr. Obama, now let’s apply that logic to something else. No gun is responsible for killing people, people are responsible for killing people! Why can’t you see that?
Come on Jerry you expect obama to use reasoning? Really?
@ jerry – he doesn’t WANT to see it…
The anti gun activists are not interested in reducing gun crime. They want to create a situation that the citizens will ask for more protection from authorities. They always want to be in control. When guns are outlawed, then real tyranny will prevail on the citizens. Check history what happens when guns are outlawed.
I live in California, and it worries me that this state is contemplating tougher gun laws (already one of the most stringent states) which our legislators believe will reduce crimes committed by ‘evil-doers’. What they fail to understand is that by reducing, or eliminating the weapons that honest, law-abiding citizens may have, only encourages those who don’t play by the rules to do whatever they want. Dianne Feinstein, (Democratic Senator) is a gun-toting member of Congress, and another state legislator recently fought off a gang of thugs when he pulled his own weapon. Where would they be without firearms to defend themselves?
california here! the surpream court judge recintly declared that it’s unconstitutional to deniy a ccp for self proection. another judge declared the 10 day waiting period unconstituitonal. 2015 we will go to instant back ground checks and i’m waiting on my response for my ccp application through the county sheriffs department. Feinstien is mentally ill. maybe she will have a stroke soon. join CAL FLL and keep up to date on our gun laws. many have been throwin out, or vetoed. keep the faith and no matter what laws they pass, the 2nd amendment is our right to bear arms and no laws can stop that.
California is a beautiful state but you have idiots running it and brown is the worst of them all. I nearly moved to Bishop at one time. Glad now I didn’t but not because it is not beautiful. Gun restrictions and taxes would force me out now.
We’ve all seen how well the very strict gun laws in and around Chicago are keeping the people safe, right?
In Asia, when a jungle tiger is caught; the animal is put in a tiger cage. A tiger cage is designed so that the tiger can’t move an inch. The bars are pressed tightly against its body so that no one will be attacked or injured while the beast is in transit or its fate can be determined by its captors.
So it is with gun control in this country. The U.S. Government would like noting less than to be rid of any and all guns in this country; to take each and every gun out of the hands of its citizens. However, there are three problems that prevents the Government from achieving their goal.
1.) This country was founded on the idea that all its citizens have the right to defend themselves against oppression, attack, and lawlessness.
2.) The people felt so strongly about this idea and sentiment that the people created an unbreakable law titled the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. This law guarantees that all citizens have and will always have the right to bear arms, in defense of their person, life, and property. In the common welfare and defense of their neighbors, town, County, State, and Country.
3.) Then there is the mentality of the average American citizen; that staunch streak of Independence that runs through each and everyone of us, that sense of what is Right and what is Wrong. This is what really frightens our Government, because they have the same thoughts and tendencies as their citizens.
So, the question now becomes, how to prevent the population from owning and possession firearms; yet stay in control of the population with up to date weaponry? The Government figures that over time, technological advances will out date the gun and laws will be passed to curtail the possession and ownership.
Well it looks like the gun is here to stay. There are technological advances in weaponry which somehow found their way into the American mainstream and the Government isn’t happy about it. the Government had a Government program which any duly authorized agency in any and all States can request and receive surplus military weaponry.
So with the “New Toys on the Block” every agency under the sun put a request in to obtain these freebees. Police departments, State Police, even local school agencies wanted to get their hands on Tanks, grenades, grenade launchers, tear gas, machineguns of all types and sizes, Humvees, gas masks and so on. I guess these Government agencies are preparing for war against the average U.S. Citizen. When a local School District in California was asked why they request all this has hardware and fire power; they replied that they needed this stuff to guard their warehouse filled with supplies and books. Really? They needed a tank, grenades and grenade launchers to protect school books and supplies. [And the Government was worried about guns in the hands of the average U.S. citizens.
The Government isn’t going to get rid of all the guns in this country, no matter how many laws that are passed. Americans will keep their weapons out in the open or in private; even if they have to go underground to keep them or get them. So what is the Government going to do? Build a tiger cage and put all the Rights that all American citizens have to own a gun into? They would like to.
You can stand on your own two feet and do something about this or be placed in a tiger cage with your Rights and be treated like a dangerous beast that you are. The choice is yours, it always has been.
I really don’t want to see my right to a firearm taken away. I live in California and in Suburbia, to boot! The assault on my first amendment rights has been almost as sickening as what I read about happening in New York City. They now want a 30 day buy-and-hold policy for shotguns, handguns and any rifle. You have to register to buy ammo. background check, OK. But what about the collection of info on who buys ammo?? Could I have too much??
But what I didn’t see in any of ther dialog on this blog is the effects of ignorance. Well meaning, law abiding citizens go out and get a gun (paperwork and registration included). They want to be ready to “protect” themselves. But they fail to prepare themselves for the responsibilities that come with gun ownership. They don’t learn how to use it. They don’t take any safety training classes. They fail to use common sense about gun safety whern children are in the home of come over to visit. They leave the gun in a convenient night stand drawer, loaded and ready to “defend”. Along comes Junior looking to play Cops and Robbers with his siblings. Or Junior is curious because he saw Daddy flashing his new gun around with his buiddies while having a few beers the other night. Next thing you know, BANG! You read about junior in the paper – sibling killed when child plays with gun! Learn to educate your family on safe gun handling and storage practices. Teach junior at an early age that guns are dangerious and need to be respected. But just because you have talked to junior about gun safety doesn’t mean you get to leave the loaded weapon on the coffee table all day long!
You are far more likely to have an accident with a gun than to use it to “defend” yourself. But that is not a reason to take my rights away! Gun ownership comes with responsibilities to you, your family, your neighbors, and your community!
Do I want to see everyone carrying a gun with them all day long – no! If you think you read about too much “work place violence” today, just imagine what it would be like if everyine in the office had a gun! While it could help with the unemployment situation (no one would get fired out of fear pf being shot at by a disgruntled employee), again, public safety. I don’t want to look across the table at dinner in a resturant and see 50 guns, one at every table. As I said, I live in Suburban California, known for it Gangs and such. Back to the basic safety issue. If I see a gun across the room at another table while I’m at dinner, I call 911. Seeing one doesn’t mean there is emminent harm coming, the guy is getting ready to go postal or something, but it does mean that I should be concerned. Just because you have a right to own a gun, doesn’t mean you should have one on you at all times. can you imagine what it would be like if everyone went to a football game packing a gun? I’ve been to Oakland raiders/San Siego Chargers football games where they loaded up busses (not one or two, but three!) full of drunk fans who decided to fight over their team. Add guns to the mix and we have funerals – but not for just the two in the scrimish, some will be for a few innocent victims sitting a few seats away.
For all of those who are ignorant on gun safety, get educated! And make your weapons choice better – some guns are not the safest designs around, just ask Plaxico Burress!
Way to go Ed, ride that fence.
You speak of responsible gun ownership then you turnaround and speak of calling 911 because you see someone with a gun. Living in California where it is illegal to conceal a weapon I can understand your point of view. Yet on the other hand, what if he is legal. You just put him under scrutiny by the government. I know, your going to say that if he is legal then he has nothing to hide. Well, what about his right to go through life without being subjected to or infringed on his rights to privacy. Perhaps you should be concern about minding your own business and your rights to own a gun. Then take the time to reflect on the rights of others. When you deny the Rights of one person, you deny the Rights of all.
Thank you cliff-I replied to Ed the same thing only you said it better–he ALMOST makes sense until that stupid call 911 thing–that person he sees eating and minding his own business MAYBE save his simple ass –call 911 is the worst thing ever imbedded into people’s brain–it was intended for emergencies-not crybabies
Myth: Handguns are unsafe and cause accidents
Fact: Most fatal firearm accidents involve long guns, which are more deadly. These are typically hunting accidents. 7
Fact: Handguns have triggers that are difficult for small (child) hands to operate, and are rarely the cause of accidents.. 8
Myth: Innocent bystanders are often killed by guns
Fact: Less than 1% of all gun homicides involve innocent bystanders. 9
Myth: Citizens are too incompetent to use guns for protection
Fact: About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person – about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a defensive gun user killing an innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000 10 despite American citizens using guns to prevent crimes almost 2,500,000 times every year.
Fact: Most firearm accidents are caused by people with various forms of poor self-control. These include alcoholics, people with previous criminal records, people with multiple driving accidents, and people who engage in other risky behaviors. 11
Myth: Gun accidents are flooding emergency rooms
Fact: The rate of gun accidents is so low that the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission doesn’t even mention them in their annual safety reports.
Myth: “Junk” guns are dangerous and should be banned
Fact: In the history of the state of California, not one lawsuit against a gun maker had been filed (until 2003) based on a weapon being defective or poorly designed. 12
Myth: Guns should be made to conform to product liability laws
Fact: Guns are already covered under product liability laws. If you have a defective gun that does not operate properly, you can sue the gun maker.
In our Declaration of Independence it is written “We hold these truths to be self-evident … life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Prior to those words, the King had to approve your desire for being happy; “self-evident” means God-given or according to Natural law if you prefer. In other words, unless there is a law prohibiting it, you can do whatever you like without permission.
Gun control advocates have it backwards, they say “justify the need for guns to me.” The fact is we shouldn’t have to justify anything; that’s what living in a free country is all about. Unless there is a legal or moral code being broken … hands off! and the ownership of a gun is not a per-se violation of any code; legal or otherwise.
You’re an idiot Ed! You want guns rights while you take right away. That is un-American. Disregard the movies guy, when most people carried firearms in the 1800s west there was very little gun crime compared to today. Why? Because you don’t pull a gun on someone without thinking “maybe they will shoot back!” If every law abiding gun owner carried everyday these punks that use guns illegally would think twice.
So, get your brain cleared of the liberal Californian, anti-gun, brain washing and think like a patriotic, understanding the Constitution, American. You can’t be angry at your rights being taken away and in the same breath take someone else’s rights away.
I agree with you that people need to be taught proper and safe gun handling. My dad taught me this from the time I was old enough to hold a gun. We always had (and I still do) loaded guns in the house easily accessible but my brother and I never tried to play with them because we knew not to and knew if we did dad would spank our rears! My children know the same and are being raised the same way. No problems. As John Wayne said “An empty gun is a useless tool!”
RETIRED VIETNAM ARMY RANGER, RECON. I’M A DOJ CERTIFIED FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR. YOUR POST IS NOTHING BUT A SHAM. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE GUN OQNERS AND IN CA IT A FELONY TO NOT HAVE YOUR GUNS LOCKED UP WHEN CHILDREN ORE IN THE HOME. THEY SHOULD ALL BE LOCKED UP . A GOOD HAND GUN SAFE WITH A FINGER CODE IS GRAET. ABOUT 10% OF THE PEOPLE THAT BUY GUNS DON’T HAVE CLUE ABPUT HOW TO SHOOT. YOU AHVE TO TAKE ATEST TO GET A HAND GUN CERT TO BUY ONE. ALL THE SAFTEY RULES AND LAWS ARE IN THAT TEST. YOUR SO IN THE NEGATIVE IF YOU GET CAL FLL NEWS YOU WOULD KNOW A SURPREAM COURT JUDGE JUST DECLARED THE 10 DAY WAITING PIERUD UN CONSTUTITONAL. SO 2015 WE WILL GO TO INSTANT BACK GROUND CHECKS. THE 10 ROUND MAG BAN WAS ALSO FOUND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE GUN BANS A AND AMMO LAWS WILL BE VETOED. NONE OF THOSE BANS WILL PASS. JUST REMEBER THAT THE 2ND AMENDMENT TRUMPS ALL ANTI GUN BANS.
Ed,
You are absolutely right. “all those ignorant on gun safety should get educated.” So educate yourself.
“You are far more likely to have an accident with a gun than to use it to “defend” yourself. But that is not a reason to take my rights away! Gun ownership comes with responsibilities to you, your family, your neighbors, and your community!”
No, Ed that is a lie created by the anti gun folks. It has been proven wrong many times. It has been estimated by different folks that guns are used for defense between 500,000 and 2.5 Million times per year. Some of the studies were done by strongly anti gun groups. Even at the lowest end of 500,000 there are many more defensive gun uses (DGUs) than accidents or murders.
Also, if you think you should feel threatened when you see an open carried gun in a restaraunt, you need to educate yourself. You should feel more threatened when you don’t see them. The bad guys are carrying their guns all the time and you seem to be ok with that.
As far as your reference to Burriss, educate your self.. He shot himself while carrying one of the safest handguns ever made. He was not carrying responsibly and he did not experience an accident. He experienced a negligent act perpetrated by himself and has only himself to blame.
In short Ed, you need to educate yourself and stop perpetuating the lies created by the antis!
Educate yourself, Ed.
Wait a minute this article implies that Fox news isn’t mainstream media??? Where has this author been for the last 30 years? That is unless “Mainstream Media” is code for something else? Propagandists use trigger/code words to prevent the read/listener to stop questioning the message and not to think beyond what is being said. That is fine if you live in the old USSR but Americans don’t truest somebody who uses that garbage on them!
Susan, the news media has a unwritten rule, not to rock the Government Boat; unless, it sells to do otherwise. Haven’t you seen how all American Media sounds the same way during their broadcasts? That is why I listen to other, outside the country, new media. I listen to the BBC, India, Israel news and others to get the slant on how America is viewed by the world. It is really an eye opener. Try it and educate yourself.
A conservative understands that “mainstream media” is talking about the liberal media that most Americans listen too. Fox News, as a conservative yet fair and balanced new source, does not fall in that category. Get a clue.
fox news is full of liberals an rhinos, an they don’t cover the real news ,they are a sham, there is 90% they don’t cover its liberal discretionary reporting, you know like censorship ,but the average American is so used to it they don’t blink, or ask themselves about the insane foreign policies, the restricting of the constitution continuously by the tyrant Obama using illegal executive orders, making unconstitutional agreements with enemy nations without consent of congress, that are extremely dangerous to usa, an the crippling taxes ,regulations,an controls on our economy to cripple it beyond repair , our manufacturing jobs have been been sent over to china ,mexico ,south America,europe because of these regulations & free trade boondoggles to give away our treasure our country by our dirty presidents an dirty politicians of dc.
New York state passed a law banning high capacity mags to just seven bullets do you think the criminals are going to obey the law NOT.The results of this law NY has the highest NRA members. here is the headline from one paper that dared to publish it
New York State Rifle and Pistol Association is now largest NRA affiliate.Thanks Gov you woke new yorkers up.
That is interesting when you take inconsideration that the New York Police Department has a policy of having a fifteen, 15, round clip with two backups.
It seems that after they empty one clip they reload and empty the next. So what happens to the rounds that go down range? Or what about “the general public” that may be close by? I guess these innocent bystanders, will have to fend for themselves, won’t they.
This happened on 23 Oct 2014 in New York City. A man attacked 4 police officers with a hatchet and was killed. There was an innocent bystander that was shot and injured by rounds going down range. Two officers were injured by the attacker yielding the hatchet.
You think joining the NRA, background checks, gun registration, or limiting the mag capacity to 7 or 8 or even 10 rounds is about protecting out rights to own firearms? The NRA is the first place they’ll go when they decide to confiscate, then to the gun owners who have registered their guns and gotten a permit to carry. This is like advertisement to those who want to eventually disarm “Mr. and Mrs. America”. Nothing in the second amendment says anything about registration or limits on the number of rounds in a magazine. And you’re right, criminals won’t obey the laws.
I’M IN CA/ I HAVE A CCP. LET THEM TRY AND CONFISCATE MY GUNS. A LOT WIL DIE BEFORE ME. BEEN IN JUNGLE COMBAT. URBAN COMBAT WILL BE CAKE.
Thank you LeAnn–YOU do make sense–I believe in the old ‘walk softly and carry a big stick’
Talk Talk Talk .Option Option Option Do something about it. join The NRA or those that help us keep are rights. It Is Time To Do Do Do.
I will never join the NRA based upon their endorsement of anti-gun candidates for office. The Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a no compromise organization, and they get my money.
Thomas
The NRA is the largest and most active organization committed to promoting shooting sports, gun safety, and preserving 2A in the country. If they were not, the libs would not use them as a lightning rod.
There are many more organizations as well doing great work. They all deserve more support than they get.
The NRA works hard to identify and promote the candidates that will do the best job for our cause. That said, they are not immune to being lied to or turned on by politicians.
By all means support GOA, SAF, your state organization, or any other that you like. BUT, you do no service to the common cause of positive improvement of the perception of gun ownership in the US by tearing down an organization committed to helping. Less than one in 25 gun owners in the US support the organization that works the hardest to expand gun rights. No, they have not always been perfect, but they are working for the right goal. Anyone who believes that any person or organization is perfect is deluding themselves and is not part of the solution.
Folks, The NRA is fighting a good and honorable fight. If just 10% of gun owners were members of the NRA, it would be astounding what they could accomplish.
So, if you want to be part of the solution and not part of the problem, Support the organization of your choice AND join the NRA! Both are great ways to help!
Remember the Pilgrims? They tried redistribution equally, and they starved many to death. Then they tried honoring private property ownership and ownership of what you produced. Trade that to get other necessities.
The pilgrims tried to distribute the fruits of production equally so those that did not produce as much or any at all. The colony had a large percentage of them die of starvation that winter. Some that lived had a two been meal, probably more than once. We seem to omit that bit of history in our schools.
People Christian world view tried the idea of all get equally of what is produced. And it led to promoting laziness. The people nearly starved to death that winter. That was the Pilgrims at Plymouth, Rock. I believe our schools ignore that history.
NOT WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL. WE COVERED EVERY BIT OF AMERICAN HISTORY AND THE CONSTITUTION! THE PILGRAMS STARVED THEM TO SAVE THEMSELVES. THEY TREATED THE NATIVES AS IF THEY WHERE BELOW THE HUMAN GENE POOL. THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED IN HISTORY. I GUESS I’M A LOT OLDER THAN SOME OF YOU, OR YOU WENT TO A LOUSY PUBLIC SCHOOL.
I respect my neighbors right to not own a gun or his very negitive view of preparedness. I told him if bad guys kicked his front door, dragged him and his family outside and assaulted them. Out of respect I would grab my AR and lawn chair and dial 911
That’s cold, man. Funny as sh!t, but cold, to the point, and demonstrates the absurdity of those who argue for “gun control” as a means to stop crime only,…and hides the ulterior motive. They know full well that an armed populace will never be conquered
The Liberals, aka Democrats, are not interested in stopping crime, They’re the biggest crooks around. They want to control guns and get them out of the hands of the public because they know that eventually the public will wake up and go Liberal hunting to get OUR Republic Back. Liberals know they cannot control and rule an armed society that can protect and defend itself from the Tyranny they propose, and have worked on for over 100 years now.
Don’t forget to take pictures.
The reality of it is albeit not the greatest but there are more jobs out there now then in recent times is a bigger influence on certain crimes then gun sales I don’t own a gun but I don’t have problems with having the option to get one.
What are you going to do if “they” take that option away?
ever human on the planet is a moral agent, and therefor responsible for there choices and responsible for maintaining access to those choices by being able and willing to defend ones place and person. a Utopian society will exist when Christ returns and sets up his kingdom , those who are not willing to live justly will be eliminated.
Until the Second Coming of Christ what are going to do, wish upon a Star?
I really hate it when all these opinionated people cry gun control or GOD is going to get you; yet, when SHTF they cower behind those that had the forethought to prepare and arm themselves.
If guns kill people, then the fork made me fat!!!!!
LMAFO!!! Good One!
Mike is wrong, there was a utopian society, it was called the Soviet Union. All you had to do was ask them and they would tell you how wonderful it was. No crime, no poverty, everyone equal, a marvel to behold. I lived in Berlin in the 70’s and saw this wonder all the time. My wife grew up in Ukraine and tells me how wonderful this society was. I miss the wonderful talks while waiting in the bread line, the meat line, the fruit line, And guess what, since they had no crime, no need for the people to have guns. And as good old Putin says, “the demise of the Soviet Union was the worst disaster in human history.” Yup, as the Beatles said, “Back in the USSR, you don’t know how lucky you are.”
Wow! Not sure if you were being serious or facetious but if you are serious you’ve been brain washed! Why did you come here if you liked being controlled so much. I love being able to get as much as I want of things and not waiting in some line hoping that they don’t run out. Go back to Russia if you liked it so much.
Mike please, he was saying how bad it really was.
I Love My God. I Love My Country. I Love My Freedom. I Fear My Government. Tip Of The Day: Buy More Guns And Ammo.
You forgot one thing: and hide them from the Government.
It is nature of humans to be bad, that’s why we have to have laws, from the beginning humans could not get along.
Gun control = people control plain and simple, it’s not about safety or any thing else, just control that’s why the guns have to go,
yes1
NO!! Your reasoning is so flawed that it is ridiculous. What would happen if we banned all things that could become “bad” when humans get their hands on them? For instance, alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs, etc. All of these things are not inherently “bad”, but because of their misuse cause more heartache and suffering than guns ever have. The conclusion is simple; you can’t control people by banning the things they misuse. As you stated, humans will always find a way to do evil. Banning inanimate objects or substances that can become dangerous only allows the truly “bad” people to obtain them because THEY don’t plan to follow the laws anyway.
Amen to that! Very sound argument. Thank you!
Hear, hear! Very well stated.
Right on!
People have been fighting each other since the discovery that strength means “I can take what you have because I am Stronger!”. Building a society meant everybody, including those who are stronger or more aggresive decided to get together for common defense and better living conditions. Better living is why societies were formed. Even people who were stronger enjoyed being able to sleep with a full stomach and peace of mind. Today we have mass societies and “Bad” peoples have found easy pickings where some peoples believe the local constabulary will protect them. To lose everything usually takes moments while, the police are minutes away if they even receive a call. Not possible when you are face to face with a person who has a weapon (usually a gun of some type). Personal protection is necessary even today, that is why the 2nd amendment is in our Constitution. Look at EVERY society where only the government is supposed to have guns. Mexico!!! Criminals and even the police take what they want because ordinary subjects DO NOT have “personal protection”. America is the only nation on this planet where the people are “citizens” and not “subjects”. We have the power to say NO if our government gets delusions of being a Monarchy or dictatorship. Defend yourself is still legal in states where the people are clear thinkers. Open your eyes.
After you, Bob.
As long as our government and society protects the rights of criminals over the rights of victims, there will continue to be a revolving door of law-abiding citizen turned criminal because someone with a family and children has lost their job to overseas outsourcing, can’t get welfare or assistance because it’s been cut, or don’t exist anymore, and has no choice but to turn to crime to survive only serves the government’s agenda to push towards a totalitarianism new world order, bought and paid for by the multi-billion dollar corporations that are destroying our planet and segregating our people by widening the gap between the rich and poor. Gun control is only an issue because the less resistance we are able to give, the closer they become to being God. Eventually it will be a question of who would you choose to decide if your wife, husband, son, daughter, brother, sister, mother, father, aunt, uncle, entire family were such a burden on “society” that they are condemned to live or die, the C.E.O. of Walmart, J.P. Morgan, or McDonalds?
as long as big money and big corps are in this government, we the people will continue to be pushed down this slippery slope to a dictatorship.my people have a saying; if you think you can trust the government,,,, ask an indian.
I agree with you and I am part Cherokee. I’m Jerry douyard sr. Okie brat penny. How can they say we are free when they keep. Wanting to take our rights and freedom and try to control us all in America!?
Penny, freedom is only a word, until you are willing to back it up with commitment, determination, and blood.
You would think the white man would learn from how the Government treated the Native American Indian. The white man should have learned from the Nazi Movement in Germany. When the Government singles out one group of people after another until there was no one left to defend itself from the Government.
So, do we really need to ask an Indian?
Whoa, Rik, somebody needs to get out more. Take a deep breathe and slowly let it out. Then go get something to eat, in a public place. Take it easy, just relax, rest assure there is no bogyman hiding under your bed tonight.
Good Guys outnumber Bad Guys by tens of thousands to one. So arm those tens of thousands and the one is going to behave very well indeed!
a good guy, with a gun, seems to always adjust the attitude of a bad guy
unless you take the gun away from the good guy. Then you have a slaughter on your hands.
I will not wait to DEFEND “MY FAMILY”……. Do not Infringe on that right!!! Your opinion will change the moment your loved one dies in your arms from some random thug looking to take from you what they are not willing to earn!!!!!!!!!
If gun control laws work so well to control criminals, why did “gun free zone” not stop Major Hassad (rhetorical question). If laws in general control criminals, why do we still have murders by any means since it is illegal to murder someone (another rhetorical question). Outlawing guns as you all state will not control crime, it will enable it !
common sense prevails once again. COMMON SENSE….. what a concept !!
Yes Kent–just like outlawing drugs–that works well
I truly believe that the purpose of gun control isn’t to protect citizens but to disarm us so a take over is easier. If guns should be outlawed, so should cars and swimming pools and . . . whatever else kills people (even pressure cookers). :) They’re just using crimes by gun as an excuse to take guns away from us so, when the time comes, we can’t stop them from taking over totally – dictatorship.
isn’t that what Hitler did in Europe ??? history repeats its self, because people don’t listen the first time or have a very bad memory .
All a bunch of very good quotes and sound arguments. However; have any of you thought about what would happen if every citizen were armed, and all of the thugs were armed also? Now the armes race begines to see who can have the biggest and baddest wepon with the most fire power. Look at the military, they have been doing it for decades. Exploding bullets, incendary rounds, infared heat seeking fire and forget rounds. Armour pirceing and the list just goes on and on. Then their is the weapon to consider. Which one will fire fastest with the least recoil so that you can keep it on target. Or hand guns, like the Colt 44 long / 410 shot gun shell. You go from a 50 foot range to an accross the room belly gun with the turn of the cilinder. Want more fire power in a limited space? How does the MAC9 sound?… Then some one will through in a gernade and someone else will retaliate with a missel. Where does it stop?!!!!! I only see violence escolating in this senerio. And I believe it going to continue as long as the bad guy is so heavly publiched and played up by the news media. We really don’t need to be idolizing these bad guyes as far as the thinking goes of the other potential bad guy. You create a hero out of one and three more want to copy him, quit creating heros. Example – you publish one article to day about a bad guy shooting up a restaurant full of people and I’ll garentee with in 3 weeks you will have at least 2 more similar situations accross the country. It happens every time, you want the crime rate to go down, down play it and stop publishing it.
Earl’s argument seems to say that if we don’t hear about success stories regarding those who defended themselves, we won’t have as many people defending themselves. The statistics about more guns (in the hands of law-abiding citizens) results in fewer crimes is very convincing, and citizens should realize what their rights and options are. That doesn’t mean that they will be going on a vigilante spree, and knowledge is valuable for self-preservation.
If everyone in your Restaurant (the Good Guys) were armed, how many would the shooter get before they gunned him down, so preventing a massacre? Compared with your unarmed diners? And if everyone knew the diners were all armed, how likely that the wannabe gunman would just keep walking?
You’re kidding, right? You don’t honestly believe that perpetrators will want to escalate an armed situation because law-abiding citizens are armed, as well as police? You watch too much tv. Criminals are basically looking for the easiest targets to prey on. With police and armed citizens, they will be kept at bay. Where criminals know that citizens are armed, crime rates are lower. Do the math before spouting off. Utopia exists only in your wishful mind.
You misunderstood Dave’s comment. He was saying criminals would NOT attack or try to rob a restaurant full of armed citizens.
Number 1,you will never stop free speech and DOWN PLAYING WILL NEVER SOLVE IT,and getting the bad stuff (out to the public) out their just goes to show that it is well worth telling the public about it will open the(I HOPE) eyes of the DUMB ASS people that have closed down the MENTAL INSTITUTIONS that have been helping to control the mentally incompetent people of this world that are causing the problems that we are dealing with theis days,and as for the army well you are just as dumb as the idiots that want to take away our guns as if the military was not here to protect us well you EARL YOU WOULDN’T HAVE A COUNTRY TO LIVE IN THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER COUNTRY TO COME AN KILL YOU AND YOURS AND TAKE AWAY THE FREEDOM THAT YOU POSES TODAY YOU DUMB IGNORANT NO THINKING PERSON,THINK AHEAD AND NOT BEHIND AS OTHER COUNTRY’S HAVE SHOWN YOU,Have a Great day you idiot EARL.
Earl, you are talking as if this was still the Wild Wild West. In the escalation of weaponry there is one thing that is understood; there is no winners and people will die. It is the common sense approach that we hope that others will take. That is to say, I let you live if you let me live.
You may have that person or group of people that are Hell Bent on setting the world on fire because they can. Or, perhaps they have an agenda to take from those that are weaker or unprepared all that they can.
In any case, you need to set yourself apart from your brother, your fellow man, and be prepared to defend yourself and your family – just in case.
It is human nature to covet the possessions of others. If this were not true, why would one nation try to conquer another nation. You will notice that the one doing the aggression has little of what the other has in excess. This is the way of the human animal. Until we have evolved to be satisfied with what we have, this condition will persist. (Never happen. It hasn’t in the thousands of years of human existence and I see no indication that it will, much to the consternation of the Liberal element in our society.)
If all governments and citizens of the whole world would adopt or set up a resource based economy, where everyone shared their talents, resources, skills, etc with everyone else, there would be no more coveting of possessions because we’d have everything we need or want. We have the technology and resources to do this now, if the rich and powerful weren’t so greedy.
What you describe has already been tried; it is called “communism”. You assume that everyone is going to share their skills and talents equally. Some will fill their needs/wants at the expense of others. Most rich people got that way by sharing their skills and talents more than others. It is called freedom when you can achieve whatever you are willing to work hard to get.
It is a very delicate balance in the weaponry dimensions of life. Offense vs. Defense! The more offenders that abuse their constitutional rights to bear arms the more defenders that are needed in order to est. a balance of peace. Obviously anyone with a sense of wit is able to find a weapon in some way, shape, or form or even create their own. If protective technologies, such as; guns, knifes, pepper spray, flash bangs, explosives (fire works), tazzers, etc. what’s next laws against security systems!?!
1. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
2. I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
3. When a perpetrator is standing 10ft. in front of you which one of these self defense choices are you going to make :
a. Response to 911 call: 30 min.
b. Karate chop hand speed: 35mph
c. Stab a perpetrator with knife: 13mph
d. 9mm bullet: 1,400ft/sec (954mph)
Think hard, difficult answer.
VERY good points! Upstanding, law abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves in whatever way is necessary, including firing a gun when lives are threatened.
Remember, True Gun Control is when you use Both Hands.
One quote comes to mind every time this issue is raised. “When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.” Very simple but very true.
Yes, it is very simple and easy to understand. Thank you!
If it had not been a ‘Gun Free Zone’ one of the soldiers with a gun would have been able to stop Major Hassan before he killed so many.
You right Bob–doesn’t it seem stupid that soldiers are UNarmed?
In Switzerland all young men are armed and there haver the lowest crame rate and has yet to be in a war.
During WWII, Hitler wanted to invade Switzerland, but was convinced not to, because all the men are armed, and he would lose. It’s interesting how the liberal press never takes this into account. More guns in our hands, the less criminals want to confront us.
This is a little known fact that should be taught in elementary or primary schools around the world. Thanks for sharing.
Same sort of thing happened when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor – many asked why they didn’t come right on to the west coast and invade the U.S.A. But it was known in Japan that literally hundreds of thousands of Americans owned firearms – they could see a gun behind every tree.
“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” George Washington
FACTS ARE FACTS. We need to make sure these people are held in check with there proposals on gun control. Places where gun controls are strict crime goes up DC, CHICAGO only to mention a couple. People must have the right to bare arms and protect themselves or call 911 and die before police arrive YOUR CHOICE. As for me the choice is officious.
I don’t quite understand how anyone could ever truly believe a Utopian Society could ever exist.There is not, nor ever has been a Utopian Society in any part of the world. It is a fairy tale dream. It is not possible to make a Utopian Society, there will always be murders, crimes, suicides, people with emotional problems, anger, jealousy,cheating spouses, politicians, lawyers, greedy people, and the like. In a Utopian Society none of these would exist, every individual would be loving and caring to evryone else. there would be no more fights, arguments, crimes, or lies. there would be no need for any form of law enforcement or military. The entire population of a Utopian Society would be made up of ass kissing weiners who would do anything for anyone at anytime without complaining one bit. No one would work at all because work makes people angry especially when they get their paycheck and then their bills which are more than they make working. So come on get real, stop living in a fantasy world and realize people will never get along especially with all the cultural, religious and racial differences in the world. Never ever gonna happen! New World Order not in a trillion years!
Not necessarily a Utopian Society, but Google the Zeigest movement or Venus project to get detailed information on how a resource based economy would work. I believe there are enough people in the world concerned with freedom of choice and well-being of others to make a safer, better world if they knew how, and they’d work on changing/helping those who are violent, mentally disturbed, etc. with humane treatment and without jails.
Enjoying that Kool-Aid, are you?
Really Mona? I live in the country (basically) most people are decent here–drive 6 miles into town and most people that have migrated here won’t even help an old lady change a flat tire–much too busy–they blow the horn and cuss cause she’ broke down and in the way
If you need an example of how gun control PROMOTES crime, just look at the gun ownership rates in DC (hardly any, and none can be carried), compared to right across the bridge in Virginia. We”re all armed, have a shall-issue law for concealed carry permits, and the crooks stay over in DC.
Crooks may not be very bright, but they’ve figured out that Virginia is a very bad place to practice thuggery.
I live in Virginia, and appreciate this fact. I’m not a gun fanatic, but I do believe that I have a responsibility to protect my family and my property against those who prefer to steal what I have than earn their own.
Gun control will only infringe on the rights of honest law abiding citizens. The criminals will have no problem acquiring guns from the prolific black market entrenched in every city.
The progressives are only interested in achieving some utopian society where everyone lives in peace with their neighbor. They misrepresent the facts at best, and outright lie, to achieve their goals. The sad fact is, we can’t even have an honest discussion due to these tactics. They know they can’t win an open debate with facts, so they need control to propagate their will.
A utopian society where everyone gets along is a quaint idea, but there are evil people who don’t give a damn about their fellow beings, and will kill in a heartbeat. Guns are a necessary tool in our protection, and always will be. The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall NOT be infringed.