I’m thinking that “dumb meters” might be a better name for these new electric meters.
I’ll admit that I’m skeptical when the government comes out with a new thing “for my benefit.” Usually ends up being good for them and BAD for me! But I tried to keep an open mind when I heard about smart meters being installed in homes across the country.
These electrical meters record how much electrical energy is being used and communicate that information back to the power company for monitoring and billing purposes. They measure usage in real time (or close to it), they notify the company of a power outage and they communicate the quality of the power being consumed.
Sounds OK, right? Every business has to upgrade its equipment now and then, and why not take advantage of new technology that has emerged since the last version of a product? But as it turns out, I should have trusted my original gut feeling. Apparently there are many people who are concerned about smart meters for a variety of reasons, including cost, health risk, security and privacy.
Two of those people are homeowners in Naperville, Ill., who were arrested recently for refusing to allow the city to install smart meters on their property. The women are members of the Naperville Smart Meter Awareness group, and they have a federal lawsuit pending against the city. This group is one of many that have formed to try to fight against the mandatory installation of smart meters.
In Maine, the Public Utility Commission voted to allow customers to opt out of smart meters after officials received numerous complaints about the potential of health concerns, hacking and privacy issues with the wireless digital devices. A Hawaii utility recently changed its smart meter program to an “opt in” version after their customers voiced similar concerns and filed a lawsuit.
Connecticut’s largest utility, Connecticut Light & Power, recently wanted to install 1.2 million smart meters, but its request was denied by regulators who argued that the potential electric bill savings would not justify the cost. George Jepsen, the state’s attorney general, was quoted as saying the proposal would force customers to spend upwards of $500 million on meters and receive few benefits in return.
So let’s get back to the concerns about these smart meters. Energy companies like to promote smart meters as a cost-saving alternative to traditional meter reading methods. They may be right – although that really hasn’t been clearly demonstrated yet – but even if they are, the power monopolies are the ones who will realize the cost savings. We’ll probably never see any of those savings passed along to us.
Consumers Digest documented concerns with smart meters in 2011. Among those concerns are that pricing by the utility might become scheduled and become a disadvantage to consumers who are not able to adapt their use and equipment to meet new policies. A requirement to buy equipment and appliances designed to interface with smart meters might be a financial burden to users, especially those who are least able to afford that new equipment.
The magazine also suggests that smart meters may never lower electricity use and that customers will never see the energy and cost savings compared to the investments they’ll be required to shoulder. Hardware and software upgrades will be required at the expense of customers. Additionally, it’s possible that consumers will have to spend thousands of dollars to replace appliances and equipment with new appliances being designed now to interface with the meters.
The majority of health issues that have been raised regarding smart meters concern the pulsed radio frequency radiation that wireless smart meters emit. Privacy advocates are focusing on how the meters collect personal data about users and their energy habits, not to mention the potential of that data being shared without the knowledge or permission of consumers.
Most security concerns focus on the relative ease with which wireless technology can be hacked, as well as the remote control “kill switch” that has been incorporated into smart meters. Agencies have been accused of sweeping smart meter plans under the carpet to avoid public input and obtain approval by using the term “smart grid.”
Taking all this into account, smart meters might just be a very dumb idea after all.
Smart meters were installed in my Illinois neighborhood a few years back several months after Naperville installed theirs. Thankfully, I purchased and installed a lock for my analog meter before Com Ed came to switch them out. Com Ed tried to get us to switch; told us eventually All electricity would be on the grid; and began charging us a monthly fee to have someone come out to read our meter. I am wondering if it is legal for them to charge us an opt out fee? I would also like to know the name of the lawyer helping the families in Naperville. I live close enough; maybe he/she could help me.
Spooky, I can go to the electric company web site and access the record of usage from my meter broken down hourly.
I have 30-255 watt panel system,7600k, direct feed to utility, I have a a/b switch, I never had a problem with my or their smart meter, its 100% correct each month. I feed all day a 13c cents ( retail) per k plus 6 cents premium. If your still scared, go off grid, its not hard.
You cant try that in west Virginia I tried it feeding electric back and the meter shower that I used that energy. They are made that you cant feed electric. If I want to do net metering which is what they call it here I was told I need to insure their system for 100 thousand a year at a cost of 695 dollars a year for that type of insurance
I feed solar power back through the smart meter that the utility installed. The old smart meter charged me for power used and fed back, this new one does not, It reads a negative number when feeding power back and a positive number when consuming power. My utility does not net meter though, the negative KWHs do not subtract from the consumed KWHs. It’s state law but they are a rural electric co-op, so they are exempt from the state net metering laws.
I do not trust what they are using the collected power usage data for.
If this is an emotional issue for you, pass on this one. It’s discouraging to find that so many who champion the Constitution (and I’m one of them) check their reasoning skills at the door when confronted with a subject they disagree with. Is that not the same tactic used by the screaming liberals? Charge the issue emotionally and they can herd you like cattle. Frank has great info on getting off the grid if you find that’s a good move for you and your family. Take it as a positive step rather than being goaded into it by the conspiracy of the month that leaves you as just another cow in the herd. No doubt the push for smart grid by the government just doesn’t add up. Usually, we find the truth by following the money trail. Even working in the power industry, I couldn’t tell you where the trail leads. Some utilities I’ve worked with found they cut their meter reading costs in half using a smart system. Others found it was more expensive and just doesn’t make sense. Part of the push is to send the same price signals to consumers that the utilities get at 5pm in the summer when everyone gets home and wants more AC. Higher demand -> higher power costs. Will you care and cut back? Probably not, but you have the choice of realizing the true cost of the commodity. The price of power ain’t the flat rate you’re likely paying. So if the utility only reads the meter once a month, they won’t know if you used more or less at 5pm when demand was high. Might save money, might spend more. There’s no time, not enough details, and no interest in knowing when you make toast, etc. If you’re concerned about radio waves, talk to me after you get rid of the cell phone which is multiples of times more energy and closer to your brain at any given time. IEEE hasn’t found a health link and they don’t have a dog in the fight either way. They did find that consumer electronics can play havoc on a commercial airline, and thus the rule to not use. Brains re-engaged, make the decision that fits your goals after arming yourselves with reliable information.
I am being required to install a new meter when I bought the house the city required an inspection on the exterior said my wire was frayed and I have to install and pay for a new meter cost about $1250. plus 200 for permit fee I pay for every thing and still don’t own the meter . I think is a load of crap that I can be forced to pay for something I don’t own and the meter is right next to my bed room
In spite of it being 10 F outside and having to climb over 6 feet high snow banks, I inspected my meter to see what kind it was.
I still have the analog type. I will keep this string of messages on hand and keep my eye out for power people bearing smart meters. Thank you for some very useful information.
I like the comment from Brenda Hawks ! There in lies the problem and she handled it smartly but listen Frank. People just do not realize for some reason or another that we live under a GOD given Constitution! That is until the FEDS tried to take over the Government. They rule it now and want to make a new WORLD ORDER ! BALONEY ! Yes we do need money to live but our way, Not thier way ! We are the Government and because of underhanded Anti Christ Rich people in this world, they have made themselves bigger (government) and want to control the world. Because of all this and I am getting way ahead of myself as this message can go on and on. There is no trust in this world exceptly through GODLY PEOPLE ! That is why the word got out to the people. THE WHEEL THE SQUEAKS THE LOUDEST, GETS THE GREASE ! I believe the NAACP was the ones that came out wit that saying,And they were right, that seems to be the only way we have to get what we want and the people do not realize WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. THE GOVERNMENT WAS NOT FORMED TO RULE THE PEOPLE ! WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE ! BY THE PEOPLE !, fOR THE PEOPLE ! I CAN GIVE YOU THE WHOLE SET UP OF WHAT HAS HAPPEN HERE IN AMERICA. Do you remember you telling me you keep things to yourself awhile back/ That you are sort of a private person ? Well I am too to a certain extent. What I have to say is something so important to the people of this world and I have been trying to spreaad the word but there is no response from the people to help themselves ! These are GODLY PEOPLE that have no intention to causing any problems. God bless them they make us all SHEEP FOR THE SLAUGHTER ! One thing that was keeping us in check was PRAYER ! This we must do consistantly ! To sum things up this is what we have. Anyone that would vote for anyone that belongs to a secret society,should not even bother to vote ! Our votes today are meaningless. These deciples of the Devil choose who they want in office. They have plained it for years and finally are near completion. They think but cannot and will not defeat GOD and this is their stumbling block ! Groups as the Globalist ,Aluminati, Free Masons, thruout the world are in control. First thing they had to do was remove prayer completely. It is not going to happen ! It has gone too far and we have one who will through GODS DIVINE INTERVENTION will straighten things out ! A little while yet and he will come !
They put smart meters in our area a while ago. We also have remote read water meters. The utjlities offer a free program to come in an show you how to save energy and give a few free led light bulbs. My understanding is that they are going to have “tiered” pricing structure. Anyone that has had an “energy audit” will get locked in at current rates. Anyone that hasn’t will have higher rates in the future.
Also the only way we can get permits for putting solar on our roof is to connect to the power grid. We cannot setup and store our power for our own use.
The time limits for heavy loads doesn’t affect me much because I already do most of my laundry and dishwashing at night. But I can see it would be a problem for a lot of people.
Btw I noticed a $25 a month savings on my electric bill just by switching to LED light bulbs just because of the kilowatt savings.
our smart meters can turn off our power if they deem it necessary and they have tried to get users to agree voluntarily to have power turned off to appliances at certain times of high power usage
We have public power here in Nebraska. I am a shareholder in my electric company as long as I am getting power from them. They installed smart meters last fall, and they didn’t need to get our permission. All equipment on the outside of the house belongs to the utility. But we also didn’t have to pay for it, and our electric bill didn’t go up, either. I talked to the lineman who put our new meter in, and he said if we had our solar power up and running, we would have had to change some hardware, but that’s it. Since we are still in the process of building our solar power, we just have to make sure an electrician oversees it and it connects properly to the new meter. So it hasn’t been so bad here, no one complained that I know of. I might have if I had read this before they put them in, but now it’s too late!
Comments so far do not sufficiently discuss what the health issues are that smart meters cause. A google search can bring to light and discuss the results of getting too much radiation including sleeplessness. If one’s bedroom is next to a meter — good luck on maintaining your good health.
Those having meters near their beds might consider installing a grounded mesh grid on the inside wall. I’m not sure about it, but think that might block radiation?
60 Hz EM radiation passes right through most Faraday cages, it’s in the EM infrasound band. It takes a lot of shielding at that frequency. We event tried using large sheets of very expensive Mu metal, regular galvanized steel worked better.
I wonder how susceptable those new meters would be to an EMP? Especially a LOCALIZED one produced by a coil of wire placed inside the house direcxtly behind the meter and zapped with a large capacitor? Would that kill all power to the house or simply disable its ability to measure kWh? Would be an interesting experiment :)
they have been using smart readers for years. they install them at homes with pets in the yard . they can get a read out from a hand held reciever. i made sure that i was not getting screwed . so i kept track of my power usages and caculated it and it was right on. theses must be new models that trancieve info to the power station. next they will be putting monitors on our toilets to see how many times we flush per day. f-n ceazy.
Punisher,
How much were you required to pay out of pocket when you first got yours? Aren’t the new ones expensive, mandatory, intrusive, and not secure?
I live in California. I had bought Frank’s solar panel making book and DVD. It took me about 6 months to put it together and put it on the roof. It took me 2 weeks to build the panels but the rest of the time was for permits, getting a solar electrician to come out and put the mo0nitor device on my panels and now I’m waiting for the Edison company to give me its final approval. It seems that they want me to wait as long as possible before I can get their final approval.
Anyway, one of the requirements to have my solar panels approved was to have the smart meter put in as well. I realize that with this smart meter the power company can turn my power off at their discretion. That the power company monitors my home if I use or supply power to their grid. I really don’t care because I know that I will be supplying power to the grid only to be balanced out at the end of the year. I will either pay the power company for the power I have used or get a cheque for the power that I have supplied the grid. That is how it works in California. The only way I can live off the grid is to move out into the country and outside city limits.
But lets say for argument sake the Edison company cuts my power, although it is illegal because I live in the city limits, I have outfitted my solar panel system with the ability to store my power to a battery storage system. This is my back up should SHTF. When you are handicapped by the government you MUST act like Brenda Hawk . Stand your ground. Don’t play their game(s) because you are set up to lose automatically. Change the game on them and make them play your game, where they are set up to lose. Take the time to do your due diligence, reach out to your friends and fellow patriots and know that there is power in the masses – no matter what country you are living in. I will send Frank a photo of my solar panels once the Edison company has given me their final approval. My hats off to Frank and Brenda. :-)
thanks for the “info” on smart meters
I wonder whythe Federal goverment take control of this companys. and look for solar power.
Leave the government out of everything possible!!!
B the way when you write up your document to earase your easement get it notarized at your bank etc. to make it legal and once the County Recorder accepts your document send a copy to your power company too. They do not want people to do this so the sooner you do it the better before they come up with laws to stop your independence.
I live in Ohio and did quite a bit of research on the so called smart meter after AEP notified me they were to be installed in my area. One way I stopped them, was in 2006, I was fed up with the way Ashplundh, the hired chainsaw gangsters (tree trimmers) of AEP( American Electric Power) kept detroying my trees at will. I went to the next county over and used the university law library to study the Ohio Jurisprudence law books. I found that an easement including utility easements are nothing more than a contract between two party’s. I wrote my own document explaining why I wanted to erase my easement with American Electric Power Company. I went to the Court house to the recorders office and told them I wanted to erase my utility easement on my property. At first they thought I was nuts. I asked: show me the law, statute, or code that states I cannot erase my easement . This is your secrete weapon question. “Show me the LAW, STATUTE OR CODE THAT STATES I CAN or CANNOT DO SUCH AND SUCH. The Recorder called me back and could not beielive it , the lawyers and City and County law directors found that I could erase my easement. They duly recorded my easement erased and is filed with my deed. Now I have regained the power over my property and AEP must have my permissin to enter upon it or trim trees. When they took my analogue meter off my country home at 6:00 am one morning in Oct of 2011, I was home and notified the young man that he was not only trespassing but had broken and entered my box to remove the meter without my permission. He called his boss. His boss knew that this person knew her stuff and told the young man to put my analogue meter back on the house. I also had a warning sign beside the meter which adds to the fact they knew they were breaking the law. I’m the only person so far who has won, at this point. But and there is always a BUT! AEP returned last Feb. 2012. on the coldest Friday morning, and threatened to turn off my power,using the county sheriff as back up, if I did not give them the meter. I stated they could have the analogue meter, but could not replace it with a chinese made, smart meter, ( which at the time they were telling everyone that it was a read only meter not a smart meter) , they lied! That blew their mind, so they said fine we will cut your power. They really did not want my meter, they just wanted to torture me! I showed the AEP head man, the Ohio State law that stated they could not turn the power off to anyone between the dated of Nov. 15 and April 15. They snubbed me and said that the law did not apply to me. That was only for people who did not pay their bill. So they turned off my power knowing, I could recieve no help or assistance until the following Monday. Thanks to a lot of friends , Patriots, Tea party members , two Ohio State Representatives, Glen Beck and others, The Governor of Ohio made AEP turn my power back on by Saturday Evening. So please find you state Jurisprudence law books, look up easements and see if you too can erase them. If I can do it, you can too. Just remember the secrete weapon question above.
I am told ARP installed the most powerful meters at the outset. That is in Ohio. Other companies say they put in the lowest power, but there is nothing to keep them from changing them out to stronger ones when the want to do so. Supposedly there are five levels of radiation. Watch for other appliances such as televisions with this radiation. They are frying your brain, bit by bit! It’s called dumbing down America.
Where can one go to escape this take over by our government?
Brenda Hawk you are my HERO. Way to go kicking some Corporate ASS!
Charlene LeMay.Don’t run that’s what liberals do,stand and fight like an American!
I live in the great country of Australia and have a smart letter that I have to pay for that gives the power company the power the means to cut my power off at any time,or even cut my heater or air con off when they feel like it.the only ones that benefit from smart meters are the power company’s.l have a 4kW solar system and the feed in tariff is now 8 cents a kW exported .I pay 30 cents to use any power company’s power ,they turn around and sell my 8 cent a kW power for 30 cents making 22 cents off my power ,l
Phillip, See if you can get your friends and neighbors to get the local government to change the laws in your area. One thing you can have the power company do is to give you a credit, kW for kW. At the end of a 1 year interval there will be an accounting. If you have a surplus of credits supplying power to the grid then the company will pay you. If there is a deficit then you will have to pay them – at a discounted rate since you are supplying power to the grid. During the month the power company will give you an accounting of the power that you are using or supplying to the grid. I’m sure that there are other plans out there that you may find better to your situation; but, you will have to look around and ask others (Patriot’s) for their input.
I am a 79 yr of age widow and how would I know if I had a smart meter? Appreciate any info you could send to me. thanks and God bless.
Romayne Seward, As far as the ones I have seen they usually have a digital readout screen on them. The old analogue meters have small clock like dial on them, usually five in a row, that you read individually to aquire the amount of electricity you use, plus there is a spinning large disc below the clock faces. Hope this helps.
Brenda and Romayne,
I believe there are two requirements for a ‘smart meter’ .. one is as you mentioned, the digital readout, but also somewhere on the meter an FCC label. I had my ‘analog’ dial meter replaced about 6 months ago for a ‘digital’ replacement meter, which was NOT a ‘smart meter’ but the electric company guy had to still come out and read the meter on site. This did not make much sense to me, because in less than a month, they came out and replace the ‘digital’ meters with the real macoy, ‘smart meter’ now also digital and with the FCC label and remotely readable by the company .. Dumb isn’t it??? And here they are talking about ‘savings’ .. yeah right ! What a joke !
good luck screwing with me. they can have their grid and meters
So were is the justice here! How hard is it for a judge to say ” Well if you don’t have to pay an employee to read the meter then the cost that you bill the customer should be lower!
Or if you have to put these in then you need to provide a hack proof meter reader! At your business expense not the customers!
We were allowed to opt out of the new pricing schedule that was offered with the new smart meter, the new pricing fluctuating by the use of electricity during peak and non-peak hours. We were given a time period to decide, I chose to delay using the new pricing schedule that was touted as being money-saving. I tracked our usage and compared our bill to what it would be if we had switched to the new pricing. We have kept the old pricing structure and are saving over 15% on our bill compared to what it would be if we were on the new pricing structure. Some “saving.”
I live in Florida and FPL tried to force everyone into a ‘smart’ meter in 2011. I did a lot of reasearch (unfortunately not as much as Brenda Hawk) and sent a certified letter telling them to cease and desist. Also put a notice on my meter saying they couldn’t change it out. That lasted about a year. Next thing was a letter saying that the state utility commission had approved an ‘opt out’ program and I could keep my old meter for a $95 ‘enrollment’ fee and only pay an additional $13/month for that meter!! Say, what??!?!?!? I sent another letter, telling them what I thought and sure enough a few months later there was my new “smart” meter. Haven’t had a bee around the place since – have had to hand polinate all my vegetables this year. What does that tell you about the effects on nature? and us?
Frank,
When will all of this crap end, when we start goose stepping? As you know, history tends to repeat itself, just look around you. Enjoy your columns, but not much time to read these days due to illness in the family. …………………………….joe
Cost savings for the power co. No meter readers, customer cost. Not rocket science
For those of you who think smart meters are for your benefit, you’ve been lied to. When you had an analog meter, reading of the meter was built into your bill. When they put a smart meter on your house, they did not lower your bill because they no longer had to read it physically. That is all done at the power company. More profit for them. I don’t have a cell phone. I do wear hearing aids and when I go into a house with a smart meter, in about five minutes I get dizzy. When I leave the dizziness goes. So don’t tell me they are good for you. I have been penalized by $19.00 a month because I won’t let them put a smart meter on my house. My health is worth that, but I hate paying twice for my meter to be read, once when the original cost was included and now to punish me. I think the 1994 Energy Act said consumers should not be forced to have them. My son lives in San Antonio and when I warned him about smart meters, he said it was no problem there, as they had to opt in. If he wanted one, he notified them, if not, the analog meter stayed. That’s why people like Texas.
Did you know if there is a shady person working for the power company, he could check your home to see when energy use was low and figure you might be on vacation and the word would go out that it might be a good time to burglarize. Happens all the time.
Also, many older houses have wiring that is not compatible with these “fry” meters. Once they were installed in my neighborhood, we have had three house fires. The Fire Marshal won’t release much info, but it’s usually an electrical cause. They will not say smart meter incompatibility. In my state, the power company had installed over half the state when our area found out what was happening. Those who got them without notice were surprised. We fought it and had some who did not cave. But the power company used every threat in the book to convince people they would have no power if they did not accept the meter. I held fast and I’m getting along fine. power companies have a monopoly yet they are allowed a huge amount for advertising which tells you they pad the pockets of public service commissioners very well. Just another example of corrupt government at work and a society that allows it.
Totally a very bad idea…It is just another way to infringe on any privacy you might have left in good ole America… Just add it to the bar codes on every product you buy.. You think that’s so stores can keep track of inventory?? Well it does do that, but that is not the real purpose… If you buy a questionable item, questionable in the govt’s mind, then they can watch you.. they know how much of what ever it is you have in your home because those bar codes act as a tracking device…So don’t give the servants of this country the power!
Those bar codes are exactly what they say they are. Unless they are scanned (at very close distances), they do nothing buy sit there. All stores I know of keep a temporary record of the products you purchase (via the codes) in order to facilitate returns and recalls. I can see how that could develop into a “tracking” project if “1984” came into reality, but there’s no way it’s being done right now! I do see “1984” approaching in this metering fiasco. Anything like this is just another good thing being used for evil – happens with just about everything because there is evil in the world. But we can’t avoid all good because someone wants to turn it to evil purposes.
I’m in BC Canada. I’m one of the only ones left in my area who hasn’t had one of those “Rat out” devices installed on my house. Luckily, I own my house, so when the nice man showed up to install a smart meter I asked to “get the —- off my property.” Not long after, I had a visit from the local electrical inspector. He too tried to horn swaggel and BS me by saying they needed to change all the wire leading into my house. I asked why and he said they “had a complaint.” I asked from who, and he said the utility. I asked about what and he walked over to my meter and said that because the conduit had separated that the entire thing needed to be replaced. I looked at him and told him the real reason for the “Smart Meter” was to “RAT YOU OUT.” He asked what I meant and I told him about the 3 day thing and what’ll happen if you go back to your house after you’ve supposedly escaped the FEMA camp, and actually make your way back to your house. The mistake that will be made by most people is that they will “turn on a light” or “open the fridge” to get something to eat. That’s when the “Smart Meter does it’s job. It informs the UN and FEMA gang that you’re inside your house. It does this silently, so you don’t know they’re going to be there in moments to re arrest you and well, who knows after that. I told him it had nothing to do with any of the ?crap” the Gov’t was telling people about the need for silly knowledge like “Oh, it allows us to know when the power goes out.” I asked him as the electrical inspector what happens when the power goes out now? He says the phone starts ringing in moments. So I asked him if he thought the “Smart Meter” was worth the cost of 1 billion dollars here in BC for something that would happen anyhow in relation to letting them know when the efin power has gone out.
He gave me a citation and left. I read it and it said that if I didn’t comply there would be legal action and at TAX time, I’d have to either comply or loose my house???
My Tax Notice came……. I paid it and everything is fine. I still have the analog meter.
Good Luck with it all.
Still Healthy…
Carl Roger Pike
They installed mine a couple years ago here in S.C. I didn’t like the idea at the time but, felt we had no choice. Every few months our electric co. raises the bill another % of some amount. I have a small place, had the weatherization program do my home, and still my bill usually runs $300 or better a month! I did notice before the new meter that the meter reader didn’t actually come read the meter. He would pull in the access road between our house and the neighbors, sit for a second and pull off. No way he could see my meter!
Roni, the meterman doesn’t have to get out of the car to read your meter anymore. It will send out a signal when a program code is entered to request a reading. In fact, the power company can sit in their office and look on a computer and read your meter, turn off your power and see how muck power you are using. Back in the day people use to be able to take the meter and turn it 180 degrees and have power restored to their home(s). With the new digital meter you can’t do this. Your dog can’t chase or bite the meter reader anymore. The digital age is upon us. Corporations don’t care about your rights to privacy because there are no laws protecting you against the new technologies that are being used by everyone. Unless you want to be a holdout or live in “The little house on the prairie” – welcome to the 21st Century. We all must become active and start to lay down the rules, laws and legislation to protect ourselves against the unscrupulous companies, governments and whatnot, out there in the real world.
I would see what was the main cause of my power usage. Is it your AC? Read some of Franks letters about using blackout curtains to keep your house cool and warm depending on the year. Make sure you turn off all the lights and TV’s. If no one is using it then turn it off. That is the rule in my house.
I am waiting to get my package Power 4Patiots that I purchased and I will probably have some questions for you
Tom, congratulations on your purchase. I just finished building my solar panels from the Power4Patroits and I’m here to tell you that it really works. You will be tickled pink. Check your local government for permits and requirements and follow Franks advice about getting an Electrician to go over your work. Then you will be ready to rock and roll.
I did not pull any permits. Why would I need the governments permission to install solar panels on a building that I did not need a permit to build? Licences and permits are permissions to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Before you get a license or permit, study the ‘law’ carefully and do due diligence into that ‘law’ to see where the authority for it comes from. You may find that there is no legal authority, therefore the ‘law’ is not a lawful. It happens all the time, local governments assume that they have power to regulate things that are outside of their power to do so. I took on the county and won in court when they tried to have code enforcement cite me for building something without a permit. They leave me alone now.
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